Spoilers: Lorenzo di Bonavetura Explains The Mid-Credit Scene From Transformers: Bumblebee

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by SilverOptimus, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Moy

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    Theres always going to be small contradictions. These rich producers dont eat, drink, and s**t transformers like we do. But all the core elements are there. Bumblebee Bayverse aesthetic, Sector 7, and the 1977 Camaro that sets off the 2007 film. It was never meant for not-pickers. They didnt study the previous 5 films. They should have, but for whatever reason they didnt. That doesnt make it a reboot. That just means they didnt do their homework. A reboot will come for the next generation of young adults that are still wearing diapers...if at all. They are not going to do a reboot to appease haters and nit-pickers. Star Wars proved that a long time ago.
     
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    Well they didn't know of the sun harvester or its location in rotf, They didn't know of sentinel or the ark on the moon in dotm, They didn't know the dinobots really existed until aoe, They didn't know of the crashed ship or the role of Stonehenge in tlk. Its not hard to assume they didn't know the allsparks location
     
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    Agreed anything in a continuing series is always going to have continuity errors at some point it happens in movies and it happens in tv series usually because of different writers or ideas.

    I think back to the star trek tng movies where in generations the android data had a emotion chip fuse to his brain and it was said it could not be removed. Two movies later in insurrection the enterprise gets word that data is seemingly malfunctioning on a planet and the captain asks if it is because of his emotion chip and the reply is he didn't take it with him.

    That wasn't because the movie was rebooted, it was because it was an error the writer had not realized had already been established couldn't happen
     
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    Clearly, it was intended to be a prequel at the beginning, but they substantially changed it after TLK. This has been proven.
    Beast Wars is not a reboot, it's a sequel. It's right in the storyline. G1 Ravage takes a center stage role during the second season. G1 Megatron and Optimus are in it. They're MacGuffins of sorts. Reboots happen all the time, they don't require generations to do so. X-Men soft rebooted right in the middle of its run, The Dark Knight trilogy concluded in 2012 and DC made the DCU and brought Batman (a rebooted incarnation) back in 2017, only 5 years later. I get the point you're trying to make, but it's not holding water, it's leaking like a sieve.

    I get that you're fine with Bayverse as-is, but it's no longer the success it once was and it's just not working. If Bumblebee does indeed become a solidified reboot, you're going to have to come to terms with it, not us. Can you do that? If it's a prequel, I'll come to terms with it and just not watch the next film. There's no point in financially supporting a film series that's coming to a pointless end. I'll deal with it and move on.

    That still doesn't make sense, though. If they're still based in Hoover Dam, then he would've been found. Shatter and Dropkick were right there, inside the facility. We watch them leave out of a tunnel, followed by S7. They were there. They should've found him. Frenzy found the Allspark and Megatron and reported back to the other Decepticons and he was in the facility. Shatter and Dropkick were literally inside the S7 computers building the internet and they couldn't find him in the other room? Bah. It's either a reboot and they're afraid to admit it, or it's one of the dumbest written scenes in the entire franchise and utterly ruins Bumblebee for people like me because it undoes the film to a stupid degree.

    They don't have to things the same way we do to get the basics right. J.J. Abrams, for all of the hate he gets, at least got the basics right on Mission: Impossible 3, Star Trek (2009) and Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens. Some of the takes he's taken and the ideas they've spawned haven't sat right with people, that's true, but he at least got the basics right. Lorenzo and crew haven't done that, here. They need to at least eat, drink and $#!7 them enough to get the basics right. Dinobots, Grimlock especially, are not dogs and shouldn't be treated as such. Optimus is meant to speak, as are the Autobots. He says he doesn't say much, yet Optimus was one of the most vocal characters in ALL of the series, as well as the comics. He said thought-provoking and deep things. Words that rallied the people to a cause. He led where he would be willing to face the firing squad, he didn't sit off to the side just uttering nonsense.

    That's where Lorenzo and everyone involved with these films gets it wrong. The fact that you think it's okay after all this time is where you get it wrong.

    And there are not small contradictions, sir, they're massi2.5-hour contradictions. Entire films that don't jibe or line up with what came before. Bumblebee, if it's not a reboot, is the worst of them all. That's inexcusable, at this point. You might want popcorn flicks, but at least want popcorn flicks that make sense. Marvel movies are the epitome of popcorn films and they still get it right.
     
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    Basically di Bonaventura doesn’t want it to be a reboot because that would mean admitting that people are tired of his ten years of largely terrible creative decisions.

    I think this is the most liked post I’ve seen on TFW in a long time so kudos dude.
     
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    Is there way to directly message Paramount and Hasbro
     
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    I dont care what anyone says.

    I saw enough in movie to separate Bay (Garbage) from BB (Great) movie.
     
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    Yeah, no. I'm happy this movie forgets about Bumblebee's WWII days but you won't be able to fit this in with the other films. All the Sector 7 stuff doesn't need to tie into the first film. You can't amend this, it'll be messier than the X-Men timeline.

    Just reboot it here, its a perfect fresh start, have Megatron off world instead of being buried in the Earth, forget about the 7 Primes, forget about the Ark on the moon, forget about the ancient Dinobots, or Quintessa, or the Cybertronian Knights of the Round Table, or Optimus and Ironhide in Human history, or the Earth being Unicron. This, is all you need. Autobots fighting Decepticons on Earth, no needless origins and histories.
     
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    Add in some glowing energon cubes and I'm there!

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    I was thinking about how they'd handle Energon next and thought, wouldn't it be sick in the next film to keep it in the same late cold war period, have Megatron find some super Energon and he fights Prime in their G1 designs in a loose adaptation of their fight from the Escalation comic. Get Megatron to breath fire and give Optimus some quick battle banter like "Megatron, burn."

    I also would kill for Star Saber from Transformers Victory to be in a film from this design team.
     
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    It would be far better to have this not be a prequel and actually make it the soft reboot it suppose to be. Either way, it\'s a better movie than all 5 of the previous ones. 
     
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    Lorenzo is like the world's worst hypeman/salesman. The salesman that doesn't really know what he's selling, just HOW to sell, and he's not very good at it. Y'know, that guy that works at a place like Best Buy and you know more about the electronics/computer/sound equipment than the schmuck that works there and will tell you the wrong isle (or worst, that they don't have what you're looking for simply because he doesn't *know* what I'm talking about).

    That's Lorenzo. He's the movie studio version of Dan DiDio, who will run a line of BS a mile long if it means he gets to keep his position/job.

    Thank Primus that Hasbro has more control now.
     
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    Transformers did not discover Earth in 1987. Prime mentions it to Bumblebee in 1987. Transformers have been to Earth before. Earth is little-known, not unknown.

    Bumblebee was not on Earth in WWII.

    His name is B127.

    127.

    As in the 127th B model.

    That bot in WWII was someone else.
     
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    That bot in WWII was not B127. Prove that it was.
     
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    Wow what if Bumblebee is the last of a Mass Produced run.
     
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  20. Shin Densetsu

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    Hell... Lorenzo played Cobra Commander better than Joe Gordon Levitt.... there's your in-universe cinematic crossover Lorenzo, now let Knight and Allspark Productions lead the way!

    Goodbye doggie Grimlock and human Last Knight.
     
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