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Ah, the "I'm going to insult someone because I didn't get my way". Good ol toxic Transformers fandom

 

They cant even find what was explicitly stated to be an Autobot ship? They certainly had no problems finding it after being flat out told it was on the other side of the moon.

They explicitly mention megatron and the cube have similar markings in the first film. They aren't entirely clueless as you suggest if they have those two things.

He provably does not...or would you like to explain that comment he made two years ago about quintessa being born human six billion years ago?

Star wars gets away with the style difference because the prequels take place at least 20 - 30 years before the original trilogy.

You cant play that card with the films as we have seen Cybertronians on cybertron during the war. They were all gray generic protoforms - which prime himself was on arrival to earth. They also had re-entry forms for such purposes - bumble bee has an escape pod instead.

If the changes weren't indicative of a new beginning, then why bother with the changes at all? Why is lorenzo ignoring litterally the biggest reason people say this is a reboot in the first place?

 

no, its actually the perfect time to compare it to what's going on right now.

 

They were reverse-engineering tech from Megatron for decades. This means that they had to learn what's inside him. Actual Cybertronians don't transform the way KSI drones do so if they somehow missed that he had flying vehicle bits in him then their scientists and engineers had to be REALLY dense. That's a bit too much of suspension of disbelief to ask for.

 

My statement about the fandom still stands lmao

 

Sadly true, since both appear to be promising starts driven into the ground by incompetence and greed.

 

His job should be to promote the movie at this point in time so if he doesn't understand that not only the movie doesn't connect in any way to the previous 5, but also that the appeal of a Tf reboot is it's strongest asset other than being a good movie; then he's either ignorant about the whole thing or he wants to ruin the good word about this movie being a new beginning for the franchise (which to me is a pretty dumb thing to do if you want to make more money).

 

Lorenzo is the person most responsible for killing the movie brand.

 

*sigh*



 

 

We speak English on Cybertron.

 

I really don’t get the thinking here. Everyone wants a reboot. I personally loved (most of) the Bayverse but yeah it needs a fresh start with more personality to it. It needs to be taken seriously, and though I love Bayformers 1, 3, and 4, those weren’t. I want to see a new take on the Transformers live action movies. Just let it be a soft reboot.

 

You seriously want me to believe that Optimus landed on earth alongside the other autobots, left for 20 years, then came back because he remembered that the allspark was on the planet they regrouped on previously?

That’s incredibly flimsy and dumb

 

He has spent a decade helping to steer the brand into becoming the main punchline of how stupid Hollywood blockbusters are becoming. No matter how many times he steers the ship into the iceberg, he insists that he was going the right direction. Every one else is wrong. He's up to his eyebrows in freezing water, but he's going to go down screaming "frack you" to the fans and critics. Blub. Blub. Blub.

By the end, Bay only did AoE and TLK because Paramount let him do his passion projects if he came back to Transformers. He really did not care about the movies at that point, beyond the fast cars and blowing shit up.

 

Money and audience reception speaks louder than Di Bonaventura ever will.

Reboot it is.

 

Came here to say that.


2007: "We've learned Earth's languages through the World Wide Web."
BB: *immediately after landing and the internet isn't a thing yet, in the Queen's English* "I don't want to hurt anyone." So what? The Autobots already magically spoke English and Optimus meant they learned the rest of Earth's languages through the web?

2007: Bumblebee is an old Camaro until Megan Fox comments on him being a piece of crap Camaro and he scans a new one.
BB: Spends a single movie as a Bug before deciding on a whim to scan a Camaro (nobody commented on his Bug mode) and then apparently spends the next 30 years as that same car, wearing down, developing engine problems (has difficulty starting during the drive home from the party and during the chase scene with Barricade), and becoming "custom faded" even though he could've scanned another vehicle at any time and has already been shown to do so just because he feels like it. This isn't necessarily a direct contradiction but it does strain credulity.

2007: The Autobots and Decepticons are on Earth strictly because of the Allspark. Did they ever say what tipped them off to it being on Earth? Optimus claims to have learned of the glasses' existence through eBay but doesn't say why they were looking there in the first place.
BB: The Autobots are on Earth because they need a base. I guess habitable planets are rare and Earth fits their needs? Nevermind that in most versions of Transformers, Optimus regrets bringing the war to Earth and only stays to keep the Decepticons from destroying it - in this version he's not concerned with jeopardizing the humans. Oh and back to those rare habitable planets, was Cliffjumper on Mars or was that somewhere else? Didn't seem all that habitable but he was fine... I mean until the Decepticons found him.* Why would Optimus even consider an inhabited planet for a base? Also, the Decepticons talk about burning the planet and we're given no reason to doubt they can do it. Once the Allspark is out of play and the Fallen has... fallen, why don't they just go ahead and do that? The Autobots are just hanging out and they sure made it sound like burning the planet wouldn't be all that difficult. Also, the Autobots "need" a base so they come to Earth but then all of them besides Bumblebee don't need that base anymore and just fuck off into space again until they hear about the Allspark?

2007: Bumblebee lost his voice in battle and Ratchet is "still working on him." This implies that Ratchet believes it's fixable, so we're not talking about an irreplaceable biological component like in TFP. Also, his voice fucking works at the end of the movie before inexplicably breaking again before RotF.
BB: Bumblebee lost his voice in 1980-whatever (I forget the exact year. 1987 I think?) and Ratchet hasn't been able to fix it in all that time? Or did Ratchet never come to "the Autobots' base" during that time? Or maybe he did but then left again so he just hasn't had enough time, but then finally fixed it during the 2007 movie? Offscreen, of course. Right after the battle? And then couldn't be bothered to fix it again when it broke again?

TLK: Fuck TLK - nothing about that movie makes any sense at all and it's clear that Bumblebee was made without any regard for it whatsoever.

Now it's clear that they're still angling for this to be the same universe - Travis Knight tried to use Megatron and then admitted that he had to delete that scene because Megatron was in Hoover dam at the time. Also, we see a young Agent Simmons which is enough to conclusively say that they're at least pretending this is the same universe. What I'm saying is that, if that's what they're going for, they fucked it up all over the place and they need to just give up and let this be the reboot that Travis Knight clearly wanted it to be. Forget the Bayverse, embrace the new nicer looking designs, and just start a new continuity. Give us what we've been asking for since well before the 2007 movie was finished. Ah, but Hasbro is right in the middle of the Studio Series line and I bet they're worried about tanking sales if those movies and their continuity get rebooted out of existence. I just hope that, once that line is finished, they'll finally be like, "Ok, cool. Now it's a reboot."

* Side note here, Paramount or whoever makes these decisions: stop introducing named, major characters only to immediately kill them off. Jazz deserved a better death than he got in 2007 and Cliffjumper deserved a much better death than he got in Bumblebee. Could've used freakin' Scrounge or whoever for the Decepticons to interrogate and kill instead of an important character who we'll now never see in the live action movies. I'd mention Arcee in RotF, but that weird three motorcycle thing doesn't count as Arcee.

Hahaha! You actually think those were in the same continuity? It's obvious the developers were like, "Ok, we're making [G1] Transformers." Hasbro was like, "You're making aligned continuity and here's all the notes from Transformers Prime." Devs: "Um, ok. Let's see here. Eh, throw in some nonsense about Dark Energon and lets get back to making the G1 games that everybody actually want." This was especially obvious in the second game.

 

Anything is possible in movie universe, it just depends on whether audience buys it or not. I mean if Marvel can convince people that stones on a glove annihilated half of planet, and then somehow lives in the billions are revived like nothing happened, this Bumblebee 1st earth appearance timeline mess seems like nothing. Just write yourself a green stone to travel back and forth a few rounds, in addition to the occasional memory loss  

 

This is all spot-on, IMO. It's very obvious that at some point in production (almost certainly after TLK clunked), Knight was allowed to go much more hogwild with the G1 stuff, hence the Cybertron flashbacks and Optimus' appearance on Earth in his Freightliner alt mode at the end.

Lorenzo is saying this because this is the messaging the studio has decided on. Even if they know it's not 100% true and we know it's not 100% true, it doesn't matter, they'll stick to their story for the sake of PR optics. It's similar to how the whole cast and especially the director of Suicide Squad had to pretend the cobbled-together nonsense that was that movie's final edit was totally what they'd all envisioned from the start. Everyone knew that wasn't true, but that's just how the Hollywood PR game is played, and if you refuse to play along, your career takes a hit.

This is a ridiculously bad comparison. People buy the Infinity Stones because Marvel spent 6 years and twice as many films setting up their insane power levels so that when Infinity War came around, audiences were like "Yup, that's what Infinity Stones do." That is completely unlike retconning the events of Bumblebee in a later film to somehow fit awkwardly into the jumbled nonsense timeline of the Bay stuff. Bumblebee contradicts the Bay films because the Bay films are hot garbage that have never cared if their own internal plot logic even made sense, let alone tried to create a coherent timeline of events outside of the films themselves. Bay had no respect for or interest in the story he was telling, and now that his take on the material has proven no longer commercially viable it can be safely ignored and people who can do things like characters and emotions can come in and make some real movies for a change.

 

And I love you, Lou Gossett Jr.

 

^ I was joking in case you couldn't tell, LOL