Why did Orion Pax have a girlfriend in the G1 cartoon?

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  1. Nelomaxwell

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    what's wrong with discovery? too actiony?
     
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    Nothing indicates he DID know. He never really addresses her differently than he addresses anyone else.
     
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    What are you nuts?

    Did you even see the search for Alpha Trion?
    Maybe you haven’t seen it in a while

    The way he watched all of the Sabe her completely by himself

    Just the way he says her name the first time he sees her on screen

    “I’m wont forget my promise”
    “I will save you even if I have to sacrifice myself”

    The way he’s holding her when she was injured, His desperatebehavior to save her, The almost panic in his voice , The way they say goodbye to each other at the end of the episode

    Sorry but no , Most definitely treated her differently, and there’s more then enough to suggest they had a special relationship,if not romantic then family like

    And keep in mind, this episode was written and produced before War Dawn so to expect the character or story to mention or have some reference to the name “Ariel” makes no sense
     
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    That was more than family, broski. Those were longing goodbyes. There was a more than familial intimacy there.
     
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    That's why G1 is an era, not a "continuity family". Or else, everything would technically be "G1".
     
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    Agreed
     
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    I see a lot of complaints like this, I don’t see the problem with the idea of a continuity family?

    The way I see it it’s no different then any other family dinamic, those from the 80s started the family line, products like Dreamwave and IDW are children and grandchildren
     
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    1. The G1 Continuity Family already means G1 Era in the first place, they're the same thing.

    2. How do you figure everything is G1? Continuity Family does not mean every single freaking thing with the Transformers brand on it. RID2001, the Unicron Trilogy, Live Action films, Animated, the Aligned Continuity Family, and Cyberverse are entirely separate from G1 Continuity. They could all be considered G1 Remakes but they're entirely different continuities.

    3. Technically cartoons and comics are not really different continuities... sort of... They're different in the sense that they completely contradict each other but technically even the cartoon by itself is full of contradictions as well. We don't go around saying that each episode is a separate continuity we just call it a continuity error. There are bound to be a lot more errors between cartoons and comics when completely different writing teams are working on them.

    Just to illustrate a point Mini-cons in the Armada comics actually speak while the Mini-cons in the cartoon just make R2D2 beeping sounds. This is a pretty major inconsistency that persists for the entire run yet it would still be under the banner of Unicron Trilogy Transformers. That's a Continuity Family.

    The same is true for G1, it it exists under the banner of G1 or Beast Era Transformers that's the G1 Continuity Family.
     
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    I know we're veering a bit off-topic with this but...

    Despite the best efforts of the wiki editors, the phrase "G1" means different things to different fans. To some, "G1" is just the stuff we got from 1984 to 1992 before G2 started. To others it encompasses a whole slew of things including IDW, FunPub and many other stuff besides. If someone says "Oh, I just collect the G1 toys", are they talking about vintage stuff only? CHUG? Masterpiece? Who knows?!

    I've long maintained that we as a fandom should clear some of this up and invent a terminology that we could all adopt, for example, "Vintage-G1" if we're just talking about the early days, and "G1" for the wider continuity in general (including modern-day sequels and reboots).

    But sadly we as a fandom can't even agree if Transformer females, Transformer love or Transformer procreation is a good thing or not (my personal view, for what it's worth: a resounding YES), so coming up with a universally-agreed, fan-approved nomenclature is pretty much a non-starter from the get-go.

    Why did Orion Pax have a girlfriend in the G1 cartoon? Because the writers thought it was a good idea at the time. And so do I.
     
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    That's called head canon... It doesn't really matter what G1 means to you personally... well it would if that was made clear from the start but I was under the impression we were on the topic of official canon.

    We actually have all adopted the same terminology, that's why it's written that way on the TFWiki. Inventing an entirely new terminology as you're suggesting would actually be to go against what we've already agreed on. Though it has changed in the past, usually out of necessity. For example we use to just say RID but then Hasbro decided to use the exact same title on other material and now we have to clarify which RID. Though we seem to still be adjusting to that one as I've seen both RID1 or RID2 and RID2001 or RID2015 used to refer to the same shows.

    Also there was a time when TFA meant Transfromers Armada... then Animated happened.

    So we could change the terminology but I don't really think it'll happen unless it becomes absolutely necessary to do so.

    Females, yes.

    Love, yes.

    Procreation, only as long as it has nothing to do with sex.

    Also opinions are always going to differ from person to person so of course you can't make everyone agree to this stuff. However when it comes to language we pretty much have to agree what things mean because it makes conversations pretty much impossible if something means something completely different to me than it does to you. We'd never be able to understand each other, it'd be like we're speaking two entirely different languages. There has to be an agreed upon definition within a language so that everyone can understand what everyone else is trying to say. Just because we can't all agree on opinions doesn't mean we can't agree on what facts are.

    I don't know if it was a good idea but I don't think it was a terrible idea. It's just kind of a thing that happened, I don't really care either way.
     
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    While the TF Wiki is a good source of information, it's not the be-all and end-all. Sometimes it's wrong, sometimes it makes mistakes, sometimes it gets the wrong end of the stick (like we all do). Take it as a source, not a grand decree.
     
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    Exactly this. Thank you.
     
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    I never said it was a grand decree. And yes they're not perfect, occasionally they get things wrong but the people who run TFWiki are actually fairly good at being as accurate as they can, removing false information whenever it does show up, and correcting their mistakes. They're a lot better at doing this than most other wikis... A LOT BETTER than most other wikis... SO MUCH BETTER! Sorry I can't stress enough how terrible other wiki pages usually are.
     
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    Easy answer after the movie writer asked to put Arcee in they had to put females in.

    More complex, he was attracted to Ariel at work, the two started to go out. They thought the Femme bots were missing after they left Cyberton but they were doing gurilla attacks on Shockwave and keeping him at bay.
     
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    granted
    No I didn’t.....more on that in a sec

    And you can’t spell the word “Assume” with out “ass”.....it doesn’t mean that assume has anything to do with an ass
    Nah, if refers to a form of reproduction that is devoid of anything sexual

    In other words it’s the opposite of sexual reproduction, or “anti sexual reproduction”


    Actually it’s not reasonable to jump to that conclusion right off the back

    Reasonable for you since you had a similar experience but not for most people

    I would say it was good you were able to help you out

    As to the rest, maybe we are jumping to conclusions so I’ll let ho, for now

    But both making the same exact mistakes about continuities and related issues is odd

    Depends on continuity
    I do believe Sideswipe and Sunstreaker called each other “bro” once but that’s to broad a term so not much to go on

    Their extended bios, and bios of other characters have tefances to the words “twins and brothers”

    But more On point, RID 2001, Optimus said that ultra Magnus was his brother, and likewise the main three autobot cars in that series or also said to be brothers in the show
     
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    I've kinda already replied to something similar to this in another post though that other person used the example of Atheist and Theist. I'm just going to suggest you read my reply to him rather than explaining the same thing again.

    Even more reason why you should read that other post as I've pretty much already gone over why this wrong.

    I know I can be kinda paranoid but even if I hadn't of had that experience I can't think of any other reason not involving an IP Address why anyone would claim multiple accounts were being shared by a single user.

    Wait wasn't that bit in reply to something I said in a completely different thread... I'm pretty sure I posted that bit in the terrible fan ideas thread so why are you replying to it here? or did I some how post it in the wrong thread... I have been hitting a lot of mutiquote buttons lately and I haven't slept all night...
     
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    I read it
    it’s really not on point

    Again not on point

    And I’m not wrong

    Sexual reproduction is defined by the combining and mixing of materials from two different individuals

    Asexual reproduction is defined as reproduction that requires absolutely no mixing of material from different individuals

    Asexual reproduction is to sexual reproduction as Illogical is to Logical

    Acting logical and Acting illogical are two different things
    Sexual reproduction and asexual reproduction are two different things

    They are opposite to each other, they are counter to each other, they are not different types of a similar or more specific thing or action

    In all my years on franchise like this I have seen plenty of people who starred up alternate accounts so it can look like they have back up in their
    It might’ve been my mistake I had several windows open and was doing some copying and pasting right now I don’t think it matters sorry if I made a mistake
     
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