See I never got the “unrealistic” body argument like who cares if she is super sexy it’s fake, do you know how many comics I read were the male superheros are covered in muscles and are super roided out to a point that no human can and can never reach, but you don’t here us complaining because... it’s not real

 

Windblade is a robot. I don't really see why she has to adhere perfectly to human anatomy. Also, Ban doesn't just draw women thin, he draws everyone thin. It's not imposing some body standard, it's just his art style. ...women as sex objects? This is a rough design sketch for a figure, a static image, with no form of prose or other information to give character beyond what we know of Windblade. No one is making declarations either way but you. The artist simply drew Windblade in his style, which is very stylized while adhering to forms of human musculature. I don't suppose next you'll be making claims his design makes false declarations about what noses look like.

 

And there’s the thing. All of this doesn’t exist. It’s fine. There’s some extension of disbelief.

Also true. I’ve looked through his pages of art and all the characters are done this way.

And yeah. What’s with this whole degrading windblade and sex object thing? Like it’s just her standing so far. Of course it’s fairly lifeless and doesn’t give much. It’s a sketch.

 

Didn't really intend to say "don't make this design." Something being harmless doesn't mean you cannot dislike it and spell why you dislike it. Never even condemned the people who like it. It's not a social problem, it's an art problem. Spelled my problem with the design out pretty well and yes, it's not for me, but the guy brought up the whys of people disliking the art direction and I gave my why.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's nice to see some passionate enough about this art direction to reply to me, but I'll just shut this conversation down before I somehow piss someone off.

G1 Megatron's lack of kibble is dumb and makes gun toys of him tricky (but at least makes it easier to change his alt mode.) Windblade here has an absolutely pitiful excuse for kibble. All of it, aside from the wings, is drawn flat against a human mold.

Did I suggest a flat chest anywhere? No. Most Transformers have something going on with their chests. It makes them distinctive and quintessentially Transformers. Prowl has a hood on his chest. Optimus's torso is a truck front. Arcee's chest folds down partially from her hood in a recent toy. On Arcee, you know what I would really like on her? More car.

Other Windblade designs have done prominent chests without making them nigh direct paint overs of human breasts. But the chest isn't even a problem as much as other design features on the waist. She has a belly button (Transformers are placental mammals?) She has a literal ass — as in a human one — something that Transformers don't even normally have and is without point in being there. Transformers resemble humans and they should for the most part, but the best designs and stories of them know to stylize them beyond adding a few seam lines (that happen to adhere primarily to human musculature), modesty cups and stuff tacked onto a human's back in order to make a Transformer. I, personally, prefer my robots more robotic. Windblade seems more like a cyborg.

And in all honesty Digger your post feels like it's in bad faith or like you simply didn't read into my post before responding. I asked for more prominent kibble, with which comes the acknowledgement that she has kibble and it's just not to my liking. And asking for more prominent kibble necessarily means asking for more stuff standing out, which would mean more features, kind of the opposite of asking for something to be flat.

 

Way to completely miss my point. I'm not a prude; I'm no stranger to fan service, but the damn robot almost has and exposed v*gina.

And you say "why does the robot have to adhere to human anatomy". Okay then, why does the robot have human-like breasts and a giant human ass? You can't have it both ways.

The argument of "it's not real" is such B.S because you can't justify your argument with actually words.

But I'm sure my actual worded argument will be met with buzzwords and snark, instead of an actual discussion, because that's just how people are.

I'm going to reiterate this though, but aside from that... region of her body, I'm pretty much fine w/ the design, and even then it's a preliminary design.

 

How the hell is my argument B.S the it’s not real is a valid point that people like you can never seem to understand, it doesn’t matter that fembots are sexualized and there’s no point in getting hurt by a fucking image on a screen, there isn’t an unrealistic body type because it’s already unrealistic this isn’t hurting women and this isn’t hurting you so you and people like you need to really shut the fuck up and let people enjoy things like why do you care if it’s not for you then scroll pass it and move on

 

I'm so damn sick of this outrage culture we're living in. Not just Transformers, but it's seeped into Dragon Ball, my favorite property, and that's in Japan (Toei's now censoring the old films after decades of uncut releases there), and they have the same notice on the back covers that are on old racist cartoons and movies about how they might be "offensive" by today's standards. It's like the whole world has been turned upside down.

Objectifying women is bad, but these days people look for sexism where there is none. This "sexy" robot isn't hurting anybody, and I don't give a shit about "unrealistic expectations", because even as a fat, straight man, I'd much rather the male characters in my show look fit and muscular than obese and ugly, and I feel the same with female characters.

I have problems with actual and overt sexualization like a few years ago when Rally's had a commercial with a woman eating their new burger in an overly sexual way, or to bring it back to Transformers, Megan Fox's character in the Bay Transformers films.

A drawing of a robot with a slender figure and a pronounced, but not oversized chest (like Takara's take on Blackarachnia, which looked bad both in their comic art and the figure) isn't hurting anybody. Also, this design shits all over the ugly as sin Windblade design in Cyberverse.

 

I apologize for coming on strong. My fault for barging into a convo I wasn't really part of to begin with. I'm just really passionate for a cool ass model kit and this Windblade is certainly something I'd love to see come to fruition. Might be something I even paint up for once, too.

 

This thread is 16 pages of people being outraged that they /might/ be criticised.

All over a sketch of a character that elsewhere on the boards, hundreds of pages have been devoted to criticism /by the same people/

 

Yeah you say they’re both dumb. But I don’t see the difference. I admit windblade looks a lot more human like. But I’m just saying that they’re both inconceivable as transforming robots. Both for different reasons though.

See now I admit my short fallings here. I only assumed the other way to go around the windboobs thing was to just remove them. But the way I was thinking was since more of those other windblade designs were very flat. But I forgot how they still had volume. Actually wait, it’s come to my attention that the TR one had kinda boobs. I’m pretty sure they were stylised. Is that also what you mean by preferred options?

Okay I’ll agree on one thing. The belly button is a bit of a weird choice. Like everything else I can understand but it’s inclusion puzzles me the most. But honestly it’s more of a reference since it’s like a abdominal detent with a blue line. It’s like a less weirder version of the Firebird Arcee slit. But the ass thing. It’s fine. Remember marvel comics arcee? She had a very defined and human like ass. Also I think we should leave the ass alone for now since it’s really a rough sketch. Like there’s not much to discuss and hope to change compared to other parts since it’s barely thought out. And even if it does look human I still don’t get it. Beast wars Blackarachnia was straight up based on a stripper. And she’s got some crazy jugs. Sure it’s weird and why does she have them but it’s just part of the design and the flow of it is consistent. Yeah it’s more fitting in with her character and she has a lot of other things. But that key design idea which they put in and decided to go with was done. And for the people who don’t have a problem with her I think the same logic applies here. It’s a cool design.

Also she has all seam lines and details that supposedly go on a transformer. Like look at the stomach and legs. There’s tones of lines and detail there. So like she does have those transformers things and is taking clear influence from humans. So apart from the kibble thing this kinda seems like it’s still a transformer by your standards. And if it just looks like it’s painted on skin we can’t really tell since it’s not in a render. We can’t really claim either side to be perfectly true as of now. So yeah, still looks like a transformer. Also she has an autobot symbol. That’s pretty much a dead give away that it’s from this brand and cast of characters. And it’s not like that’s not gonna be there. Cause this is hasbro and they will pick a side for everyone. I don’t think I’ve seen a single non faction character in the past few years. It’s kinda like the whole Star saber gundam thing. “Like if you took off the symbol and showed it to people you couldn’t tell”. But that’s not gonna happen. So it’s just a thing to prove arguments. But you may not actually be talking or thinking about these things so I guess it’s a bit weird to be throwing them onto you. But I just can’t leave these unaddressed. Cause when I see a relevant and related topic in a discussion. I wanna mention it as well. That’s just how I do things.

And in the end I kinda get what you’re trying to say. It’s more my fault cause I just jump a bit to things. But hey. It’s all good. Heck after reading through and writing this I kinda agree she could use more kibble. Mainly some more defined details on the legs. But I still agree with most of the design already and if it was gonna keep going at what it’s doing I’ll be fine with it.

 

Who knew all it would take to make people suddenly love Windblade was a pair of robotic ass cheeks.

 

Fucking logic right?

 

The difference is, as you noted, she is quite a bit more human like. She is not the least bit robotic beyond some tacked on seams.

Marvel Arcee and Blackarachnia both have artistic choices that I am not a fan of. Transformers don't defecate and their leg articulation usually comes from attachment to their codpiece or lower torso. If anything having a butt not segmented between the back of their legs and lower waist piece akin to the toys would hinder movement. Animated Blackarachnia on the other hand at least had a spider head as her chest instead of... that. You can say that, yes, I prefer the chest "stylized" in that sense.

I stated that the seam lines and details that supposedly go onto a Transformer are instead tacked on because this Transformer is very organically shaped. Therefore, it looks like it's just painted on. Just because it hasn't gotten to the render stage doesn't mean that the design isn't right there to be viewed in its current form. Currently, as it is drawn, it is a human figure with some extra lines and bumps to try to pass it off as a Transformer. The seam lines in the waist clearly follow organic contours such as abs, hip bones, rib cage, whereas a Transformer has seams along where their vehicle mode deformed to fit the shape of the bot, where parts come together and at the points of articulation. Windblade only really manages the last one. There is no sense of transformation; these shapes drawn across here are those of ours: soft but rigid creatures who can't perform the feat of transformation. With that in mind, if this Windblade's seams were molded in and made more pronounced as they are now, they would clearly be not transformation ones but organic ones. Ones associated with things like breathing and flexing, not transformation into a vehicle. It would be more akin to some strange metal mammal with seams all over it than a being whom on a whim can change form and enter the skies.

The design to me could use more mechanical flow than organic flow. In another perspective, it is a pretty cool "wink wink" technoorganic being and not everyone wants straight robots as I do. I mean, I don't mind cheese/beefcake, so all this needs is a few tweaks to feel more like a live Transformer to me.

 

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The Seekers look so good! And I can't wait for Megatron!!

 

Skywarp and Thundercracker look wicked. IDW Megatron looks nice, but I hope we see one soon that's styled like their other stuff.

 

Aw man, a Skywarp and a Thundercracker? But I was going to buy 3 Starscreams and repaint 2 to be Skywarp and Thundercracker. Oh well, I still might buy more Starscreams for other Seekers...like Sunstorm!

 

Alright. I get what you’re saying. Seems fair dude. Well thanks for the chat and best to you on you’re adventures not buying this windblade lol.

Oh wow they’re doing seekers? Awesome. They look really nice. Thundercracker with that excellent and rich blue. Skywarp lush as always. I’m sure thew will have to do a build video on him.

Megatron looks really nice. Especially when looked compared to Optimus. I hope he has as many accessories as prime. Cause that’d seal the deal. I like some good variety and references. It’d be neat if they were all the same continuities as well.

 

very nice detail

 

you know what's bad? after seeing Ban's Beefcake Megatron this one doesn't do it for me....

 

Wait ban did a megatron?