UNFORTUNATELY, it looks like a combination of toon and toy. The minority group of complainers on here always have to get their way cause they want expensive adult collector figures to look like a cheap, low budget, 1980's cartoon for some dam reason. Which means I'll just stick with Iron Factory's Combaticons until someone stops listening to the complainers on here and just makes a kick ass set of figures.

 

Just stop with the cartoon shit, dang

 

It was a cheap, low budget cartoon to sell toys, that's it. They didn't care what kind of crap they drew up or what color it was.

 

Here's a thought. Maybe not everyone gives a shit about whether something is MP scaled or not. MAYBE, some of us just want a great figure for the price we pay. I have TW Devs, I have Maketoys Defensor, I have IF Bruticus, I have TFM Stunticons. They are all great in their own way. Just because you want MP scaled figures that look like cartoons so you can group them all together doesn't mean everybody else does. It's a real simple concept people, wait until it's done. If you want it, buy it, if not then don't.

 

I love previous posts where people are talking about parts forming and how it's "impossible" to make an all inclusive combiner and yet here we are.

 

because that's what the market who pays for things wants as born out in sales and market trends. so not actually the minority.

 

I think it's easily possible but parts forming allows for more freedom in the engineering and in some (if not most) cases better engineering for the solo figures. If done well as this design appears to be, then I'm all for all in one design. Combiners next to triple changers are the most difficult as one thing tends to be weaker than another. Combiners its usually the combined mode tends to wear fast due to weight and to avoid that we usually lose functionality like pose ability. Triple changers always have one weak mode.

I'm not dead set on an opinion as others on what a combiner must be in toy form. So long as it hits its marks and is a great set of figures and a fun combiner then I'm happy. I have many 3P's of the same character along with official ones as I enjoy the engineering side and design choices. Best example would be Inferno/Grapple/Artfire, I have Maketoys, Takara, and MMC, and I don't plan on tossing any as each hits the mark in its own way.

 

lol yeah that was the first thing that jumped in m head when he said that. starscream should be bigger then prime, blackout, etc. etc.

 

Maybe not Blackout. Those Pave Lowes are massive helicopters, 20-something-feet longer than an F-22.

 

wow didn't know there were helicopters that big. wow. 92 feet long...just googled. makes that oversized weijang even more attractive. lol.

 

Very cool, I like it from the ankles up except for that cheap cartoon gun. I think the feet are just too much, they should have had something come off Onslaught for the feet.

 

The little gun bugs me more than most anything else at this point. Has looked way too small for combined mode since day one.

 

I already suggested we make a rifle specifically for Bruticus inspired by the original toys large rifle. Whether we see one made in time for Onslaughts release or relegated to another of the figures releases or a potential upgrade set I dunno.

 

Maybe possible to suggest a gun that fits both Onslaught and Bruticus size wise. I'm not a big fan of figures with overly large handguns   Won't break the deal for me though if otherwise.

 

Would it be insanely awesome if someone made a Bruticus with scaled alt modes? Yeah.
Would combined mode or bot modes be anything like G1? No way.

This is a G1 MP Bruticus, I don't expect alt scale anything here. I'm still interested in Vortex and Brawl.

I like to have fun with vehicle scale. It's just a different way for some to enjoy the figures. Nothing wrong with that.

Dragstrip and MMC Mirage fit very well in alt mode with Alternators. Very close in actual scale.





Here's a deluxe figure (Alternity Saber) that sizes favorably with voyager figures in alt mode.
This would be the ideal Bumblebee method for me. Vehicle similar in size with a shorter robot.
Badcube Warpath is another good example of robot compression from a large alt mode.



I know the car's still too big but it looks ok.



Trying to give a sense of scale to the Konig Monster, as it is huge compared to regular planes.

 

I don't think you realize how tiny a P34 is. A Viper is like 3x as big. Dragstrip never has, and never will, "fit, scale-wise" with his team-mates. It's like the Blast-Off problem, in reverse. Or the same issue Groove has. It's just not as obvious to most, because "they're all cars". But Dragstrip should be much smaller than the others.

It's like knee-high:



You know those race-car beds? It's basically that:

 

You're right in that he's still too big, but he's still closer than with his Stunticon brothers.
I did know he is tiny (I already had the measurements).

Ligier JS11
Wheelbase: 2,794 mm (110.0 in)
Mirage 114.3 mm (4.5 in)
1/24 scale = 116.416

Tyrell P34
Wheelbase: 2,453 mm (96.6 in)
Dragstrip 112.7125 mm (4.4375 in)
1/24 scale = 102.208 mm

2005 Dodge Viper SRT/10
Wheelbase: 2,510 mm (98.8 in)
Sideswipe 105.56875 mm (4.15625 in)
1/24 scale = 104.583 mm

Mirage should be 2 mm bigger
Dragstrip should be 10 mm smaller (he's like 1/22 scale)
And Sideswipe should be 1 mm smaller

So I would say that Mirage is 1/24 and Dragstrip is actually still too big even for Alternators, but it doesn't look that bad.

 

I don't think people realize how badly a lot of alt modes scale with other alt modes. They get mad because KFC's Octane doesn't have a cab as big as MP-10, but they're never bothered by the fact that their MP cars would have to be more like Legends-class figures to scale with their MP Seekers. Same with different takes on Onslaught... nevermind that you could fit any one of the Combaticon's alt modes into the cargo bay of a space shuttle.

For some references, the average length of a car today is a little over 15'. They were smaller in the '80s- a Countach isn't even 14' An F-15 is 64', or over 4 times bigger.

Swindle's alt mode should be a little over 14' long. Brawl's would be a little more than twice as big, around 31'. I don't think Onslaught's a real truck, but the biggest comparable vehicle I can think of might be something like an Oshkosh M1070A HET, and that's around 52', and Vortex should roughly the same length. But a space shuttle orbiter is more than double that, around 122'. It's cargo bay alone is around 60'.

So yeah, I can understand the desire to keep all the alt modes properly scaled. I'm all for a new Transformers fiction to give that a go. But alt mode scale and G1 Transformers just aren't compatible, especially the combiners.

 

Wonder what kind of drugs the creator of the Stunticons were taking, probably LSD back in the 80s to have a f1 car be the fourth sports car. They could have used the iconic Lotus Espirit and would be more cohesive.

 

Espirit would fit VERY well, with the theme the other cars had. (really, if it was 928/Espirit/308/Countach, the Countach then becomes the odd one out, being flat-out "exotic" vs "a sports car")