hey all, couldn't find the answers on TFwiki....

So what "was" rungs' alternate mode? Apparently Nightbeat (somehow) figured it out but he (and Roberts never explained it)....as near as i can tell he transformed into a .....matrix factory?

So Rung was actually Primus, but during an Alpha Trion story in "Optimus Prime", wasn't it said that the Autobot symbol was "The Face of Primus"...not seeing the resemblance

 

Yeah, he was basically a device that made Matrices.

Nightbeat figured it out by looking at the giant Matrix in the sky. Guessing he put two and two together re: the crystals.

Also re: the Autobot symbol being the "face of Primus", it's worth noting that the source of that mythology was the pretty clearly unreliable Onyx Prime, who was initiating a time paradox to begin with. Because he knew the historical significance of the Autobrand, he effectively created it by assigning it said significance.

 

I see what you did there...

 

He became a photonic crystal maker, basically what he did in robot mode but in large scale. The crystals could become sparks is processed properly

Alpha Trion learned about the "face of Primus" from Onyx a.k.a. Shockwave. It was all a lie.

 

A holy bedazzler pen.

 

I'm sorta confused as to why everyone forgot Rung?
Admittedly, I haven't re-read Lost Light (season 3) yet. What did I miss?

 

Adaptus' forgetty weapon means that unless he's conscious and in the same room, noone can remember him. Since he's dead, and a pile of dust, noone is able to.

 

Rung is a life machine, the matrixes have the power to create hundreds of lives. The reason he was okay with parishing was because he knew that charging Cybertronian with multiple Matrixes would produce hot spots, and he was all too happy to do just that.

It looks like he was born again as well.

 

Or at the least, the memory fades relatively fast. His writings still exist, people still know Rungian analysis, but they don't connect it with him. Him as a person is forgotten.

 

As was noted in that the Lunarians (those who were from the Bronze Harvest on the 1st Moon) not only bore a strong resemblance to Rung physically....but it was also noted they carried some of his personality traits as well.

Ultra Magnus/Minimus noted how they were filtering well into Neo-Cybertron's population. However, he wished they made themselves known more. They seemed to remain within the background. Even what we saw of the jobs they chose they seemed fine to be more obscure. Which was another trait Rung had held.

 

Yeah. I don’t...? Remember any character by that name? Not sure what y’all are talking about.

On another note, was the mysterious, empty psychologist’s office ever explained?

 

One thing I wanna know is how Rung was created. Did he just naturally develop, or did something/someone create him? 'Cuz, why would something that was born naturally have a serial number?

 

Well from what i understand there used to be "just" Primus...until he split himself into Primus, Adaptus, Solumnus, Mortillus, ect;

Actualy I do see some of the autobot symbol in Rung's face...the chin, the ridiculous eyebrows.....

 

Good question. All that Adaptus tells Rung (and us readers) was listed in LL 23, p 7. (seen below):





Leading one to believe he was the first to crawl up from a hot spot with a pre-stamped number. (Which is why the mechanics of the evolutionary theory seem to fall rather flat. Living things rather complex & complicated don't just spring up.)

The "split" was in a reference to the false mythology that was thought up by the Cybertonian populace after they had suffered from the effects of Adaptas' EMP weapon. Rung may have taken the brunt of it but it still managed to erase what the Cybertonians knew of their past. Thus, they "made up" and "filled in the blanks" on their own what they they didn't know.

 

Just something I noticed as an aside, two of the five members of the Guiding Hand went crazy on top of whatever was up with the Magnificence. Anyone else find that weird?

 

The Magnificence was actually Epistemus who had reduced himself to that state. At which time...who knows? (Lovely eyeball., eh?  )

There was some link between Epistemus and the essences the Omega Guardians who were pushing to return from wherever their essence had gone "after ascension" as well. (I'm guessing they possessed and used him more so than the other way around.) In any case, when they revealed why they wanted the false-Primus to be destroyed, how, and the reason as to why (to wipe out all life in the galaxy on their own terms) it caused Nickel (who had been wearing Epistemus around her neck as a pseudo-necklace) to simply shatter the bauble to shut them all up. Not to mention sever the connection the Guardians once had to the present.

My guess anyway.

 

The explanation concerning Rung felt rushed. I'm sure if the book hadn't been cut from its intended run time that explanation could've been fleshed out a bit more and made more sense. As it is, it's a little muddied.

I understood the implications of the bomb but why would it impact his latest children? I guess it was something that was written into his overall code and that code impacted the other bots around him... still, it's a wonky explanation.

 

Maybe its because of the Matrices(?) he made. Since Rung is so forgettable it may have carried over into the things that give life to new cybertronians

 

I was thinking the same. Children bear traits traits of their parents and the like.

 

Cybertron (Primus) gave birth to the guiding hand.

What we will never know, is who made Cybertron. I have my theory.