Transformers TGC from Wizards of the Coast

Discussion in 'Transformers Trading Card Game (TCG) Discussion' started by Tony_Bacala, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. Liege Prime

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    My co-worker also did a video about it from Gen Con:

     
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    Hasbro's taken a laissez-faire approach to Wizards since they acquired the latter. They exercise zero creative control over the company, letting it make it's own design decisions and much of it's marketing decisions as well; Hasbro is essentially the distributor only, despite also being the parent company.
     
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    I am sorry to burst your bubble but this is in NO WAY true. Look at recent MTG releases. EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT decision for the last year has been at the expense of players and LGS' (with very few exceptions). Hasbro IS WOTC and the fact that they didn't have a structure set up for store support and high level play is point proven that they don't care about long term investment in the game. I seriously hope this changes but I am not overly optimistic.
     
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    Game looks fun! Hope they do an online version or console/pc version of it some day.
     
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    How big will the inevitable Unicron card be?
     
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    I must disagree each expansion is years in the making
     
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    AzT Moderator News Staff TFW2005 Supporter

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    Agreed. @Caldazar I would also like a few examples of "anti-consumer" practices WotC adopted as a result of intervention by Hasbro.
     
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    yay i cant wait to not be able to find it because of scalpers
     
     
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    We're gonna need a bigger sleeve!
     
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  11. Caldazar

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    Not talking about set design, talking about Product marketing decisions.

    Cool, I got a list:
    1. Exclusive Buy a box Promos to drive sales based on artificial scarcity.
    2. Going back and forth on FNM Promos to reduce cost and only reverting decisions based on mass outrage.
    3. Pushing Arena and skewed pricing formats to prey on susceptible Free to play mentalities.
    4. Avoiding improvements to Magic Online in favor of pushing a shiney new Bauble (arena).
    5. Releasing Region exclusives in an attempt to garner international attention, but at a reduced ability to be played and only in regions "ripe for growth"
    6. Pushing out more products per year than in any year previously. This has the effect of confusing new and veteran players on what formats are even available, all in an effort to make up for low set sales.(AMK and HOUO being cancelled a year early in printing yet still being backlogged)
    7. Only addressing QA issues in cardstock quality after mass outrage in excess of a year.
    8. Increasing MSRP of Commander Product yet including fewer value reprints in any of the decks(both price and low supply).
    9. Terminating Direct from Wizards pricing to WPN stores and then increasing price to Distributors while not adjusting MSRP
    10. Doubling down on cutting out WPN stores by releasing plans for "Mythic" Guilds of Ravnica that can only be bought direct from Hasbro and only in US and Canada.
    11. Cancelling "Masters sets" because of low sales when the driving reason for low sales was their insistence on a "Sealed/draft" environment when NOBODY cares about that at $10+ per pack.

    Shall I continue?
     
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    Whoa the lady is a BBW..nice! :) 
     
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    Oh I thought it was a rereleased titan metroplex. 
    don\'t mind me...

    *Whistles*
     
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    1. I see no problem with Buy-a-box promos.

    2. What have they gone back-and-forth on with regards to FNM promos?

    3. What's the skewed pricing format?

    4. I think it's only logical to push new games. MTG Online is also getting an update however.

    5. What region exclusives? Besides the single promo-art set on HasbroToyShop (which I agree is dumb).

    6. How many products are they pushing to make this an issue exactly?

    7. QA isn't handled by Hasbro to my knowledge.

    8. I haven't noticed any change in Commander MSRP. And lower-value reprints actually helps collectors, who don't want their rares devalued because they got reprinted in a cheap mass-release product.

    9. What?

    10. Never heard of this. Seriously where are you getting your information from with some of these?

    11. Maybe it's because Masters sets were ridiculously overpriced and nobody bought them for any reason?

    Do go on. I look forward to taking you apart.
     
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    Far as I know game has nit hit store shelves already metroplex I am all for more character cards to get but need more decpeticons there getting rip off bring trypticon, starscream, soundwave, galvatron , maybe combiner into mix
     
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    1. If you see no problem you aren't involved enough to understand.
    2. "good" FNM promos to token promos and back to Good promos as a way of driving attendance
    3. Premium vs free currency costs and mismatched pricing so you don't get even amounts ($1 does not equal 1 gold/gem investment)
    4. Driving a new game is not the important part, its ingoring the existing consumer base to chase new people (not good for longterm investment)
    5. Have you not seen the "standard legal only in China" planeswalker set?
    6. Standard sets, Masters Sets, Mythic Sets, Battlebond, Commander sets, Gift packs, Planeswalker decks, World series sets, Convention exlcusives, Deckbuilder toolkits, Challenger decks, Holiday sets, Game night sets, Archenemy sets, Explorer of Ixalan. Can you identify which ones are for what format? Without research?
    7. Hasbro, ultimately makes the decisions based on production and manufactoring, its why they also print avalon hill stuff at the same locations. all hasbro.
    8. Commander 2016- $30 MSRP, Commander 2017- $35 MSRP, Commander 2018- $40 MSRP. Look at the value in each of them, MTGgoldfish.com and tell me its a good trend....
    9. I would suggest a google search on this, It would take too long for me to explain this to you if you aren't already aware.
    10. "Besides the single promo-art set on HasbroToyShop (which I agree is dumb)." you already acknowledged it....?
    11. They did though, during Modern masters 2013-2015 and eternal masters, it was after these sets that the focus on Draft play was enforced and value dropped. Seriously Do ANY amount of research....
     
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    the idea of giant cards is hilarious
     
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    ...i wish they'd provide more-robust flavor text to make up for the abysmal lack of tech specs over the past few decades: that'd totally get me to buy into this game...
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    1. The same sort of logic can be applied to Convention exclusives, which every toy company does. Really, Buy-a-Box promos are easier to get than SDCC Primal Prime.

    2. Your definition of a "good" promo is probably different from mine. A promo is a promo in my opinion.

    3. That's also a trend that I'm familiar with. $1 does not equal one DayBreak cash. It's not out of the ordinary.

    4. Ignoring existing customer bases? Fans of the Unicron Trilogy would like a word with you.

    5. I have. In my local Target stores. What are you on about?

    6. Yes, I can. Do I feel like proving it to you, someone who seems salty just for the sake of it? No.

    7. I don't recall any huge upsets over card quality in recent years. Again, what are you on about?

    8. Commander is a popular format. And $40 for 100 cards plus three oversized foils isn't bad.

    9. Go on, explain it to me. Since I obviously don't know what I'm talking about.

    10. So, I see no reason to be upset. It's a single product. Amidst how many Wizards has released? While it sucks that others will need to resort to marked-up copies on the secondary market, one out of a hundred isn't something to get majorly upset about.

    11. I need to do research? You need some common sense. I spent enough time in the Magic community to know that Masters drafts were promoted each year they were released. And guess what? People didn't buy many of them because they were double the cost of a normal pack. What would you rather draft, the latest set at $15 or the Master's set at $30?
     
  20. Shepard Prime

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    So, more or less like Disney? Where they have Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar and assorted other companies/houses under their umbrella but they all work pretty independent of Disney? If that's teh case, that's a good call on HAsbro's part.
     
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