When is someone going to make a MP Unicron to scale, that's what I wanna know!!

 

Damn, just saw the video - I don't even care what height the combiner is, this is the way to do a combiner and I will own it.

 

What video?

 

I would assume Paik4Life's video of the Vortex and Onslaught test shots that were at TFCon.

 

Ah haven't seen that. Might dig for it, may hold off to keep up the suspense!

 

“MP” scale isn’t based on one off episodes where creative liberties were taken to make a story board work.

This article talks about what mp scale is based on.
Masterpiece Sideswipe (Lambor) Display at Yamashiroya in Ueno, Japan - Transformers News - TFW2005

If you want to create a “timelord” scale or a starscreams brigade scale, more power to you.

 

Here is the video. I keep meaning to watch but haven't gotten to it on the rare occasions I have some time to sit and watch.

 

In fiction terms, it's been accepted canon since G1 that combiners are larger than the sum of their parts. Naturally a toy can't mass shift. So all I'm saying is, no point even trying to fake that giant scale (with pantsforming or seeker-sized Stunticons or whatever) because you still aren't going to come near it.

Let's just embrace that one company is actually making such a pure, integrated, elegant design instead of complaining that they're not doing it like everyone else  

 

What is fiction terms? Any source for accepted canon? The article quotes what mp scale is based on:

“Particularly awesome are the concept sketches showing how Red Alert and Sideswipe’s head has subtle differences, and the scale chart from the original cartoon which designer Hasui Yuki is using to determine the appropriate scale of Sideswipe in relation to MP-10 Convoy Version 2.0.”

So to find mp scale combiner height you look at the height of the combiner in relation to OP on the scale chart. Just like Takara did to find the height of sideswipe. All combiners are the same height and OP should come up around the the knees of a combiner. So mp -10 should come up around a combiners knees. No need to fake a gaint scale and it can be done, because it has been done.


So if you like Starscreams brigade size combiners, that’s great, get some legends and this will be great. If you like 15” combiners with your mp bots, that’s great, this will be great with that. But we don’t need to pretend mp scale combiners are impossible.

 

They may have the "size" but there is nothing masterpiece about pantsformer... They are barely combiners at this point... The amount of fake parts to make them "huge" is just too much...

 

Your attachment only proves my point. Look at Devastator's legs, with Mixmaster's concrete mixer and Scrapper's scoop, and look at the size of the individual Constructicons. Clearly they'd have to mass shift to achieve that. The canon, of course, is written scenes where the size is indicated in script directions such as Bruticus using Shockwave's gun mode as if it's a proportionately-sized weapon, or Devastator holding guys like Prime in his fist. These aren't 'mistakes by bad animators' they're part of what passed for combiner logic in G1 fiction.

And FWIW I'm not saying scaled combined modes are literally impossible, just that it would be senseless to make the individual bots big enough (if we're dealing with all-in engineering, not partsforming) for that to be so.

 

MMC's set is close to 18 inches tall, this matches the scaling of many combiner scenes in the cartoon pretty much, inconsistent as they were no one can say g1 combiners were never represented this way. So I'm not really sure what the problem is still with a mp set going for that range personally.



Like:



Dood gonna be fucking big.   He should still easily be able to hold the likes of MT Downbeat or Gundog in one hand just like Constructor can assuming his arm joints are up to the task anyway:

 

Yes transformers mass shift, that’s why the companies make the figures to scale in bot mode and do the best they can with alt mode. (With some exceptions) The seekers jet mode should be huge compared to cars, but they are not. They make bot mode scale and make the jets smaller. Same for the combiners, the scoops or buckets or tires or mixing drum dont have to be perfect to have the combiner be the correct scale.

Saying that every animation variance is not a mistake and is just canon mass shifting is a stretch. So in Carnage in c minor with ultra Magnus holding the constructicons in his hands is canon? Ultra Magnus can mass shift into a combiner size robot?

Lol, in your last post you did say it was impossible even with parts forming. Now it’s, I never said that.

 

HUH!
I initially was uncertain and leaning towards no on this but... Dang this looks stellar, and the video review showing the size, how good all three modes look, the utter cleverness of the gestalt hands and how solidly it'll be locking togheter....

Looks like I found my perfect Bruticus!
Quite possibly other combiners too if MMC continues these trends with them!

 

Agreed, this brings balance to the force (between Toy/Toon/Studio OX), best of the 3 worlds!!!

 

(apologies to everyone else for this thread derail BTW)

We agree about mass shifting, at least!  

And that's what it's about - mass. That's why all the larger 3P combiners rely on extra parts, additional torso sections and shoulder extensions etc, to bring the combined form up to a bulky enough mass. To me that's overcomplicated and feels too much like cheating. And that's exactly why I love this all-in-one approach (whatever size the combined mode is!).

Were you a fan of G1 back in the day, or did you come to TF later? It's been depicted a lot over the years (sometimes to extreme levels, in stuff like the Dreamwave comics) that combiners are gigantic and far bigger than just the individuals combined. The funny thing is, you've managed to get me arguing about that even though I don't really care! I'm perfectly happy to have the combined form be whatever size it needs to be, as long as the individual bots are well scaled and have cool engineering!

Maybe you need to actually read what I write. What I said was "no point even trying to fake that giant scale (with pantsforming or seeker-sized Stunticons or whatever) because you still aren't going to come near it". That's not saying it's impossible; but a combined form of four or five feet would be so ridiculously big and the individuals so stupidly out-of-scale that I can't imagine any company making such a thing.

 

Why do people want all combined forms to be the same size?

Bumble isn't the same size as Optimus Prime so why should Menasor be the same size as Devastator?
A little variety is a good.

 

You seem to be missing the point. Never disagreed with mass shifting, or with combiners needing to mass shift, that’s basic stuff. The issue is the extent the mass shifting you are claiming needs to happen for mp scale. Again your context was in regard to mp scale, under what logic does an mp scale combiner need to be 4-5 ft? Groove is a motorcycle and a combiner leg. At most he would need to to mp seeker size to be a mp combiner leg with no “cheating”. But you are saying his combined mode needs to be around 2ft.
Xtb is making a mp scale Menasor, are they making it 4-5ft?

 

I swear we need tfw2005.com and tfw2005scaleedition.com as separate domains.

 

There haven’t been any updates since tfcon have there? Hard to keep track of this thread...