First Cyberverse clip

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by UltraAlanMagnus, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. WishfulThinking

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    What part of G1 had Windblade or a radio-speaking sports car Bumblebee?

    This is isn't a G1 rehash. It's everything from 2007 on - live action movies and Aligned - rehashed. Actually committing to a full-on G1 reboot that retells the original story with more adult sensibilities would be the refreshing part... and something I'd actually watch with my kids.
     
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    I didn't mean judge a kid show the way you judge an adult show. Some cartoon critics go a bit too far. It's okay to judge a kids show, but people shouldn't be going overbroad.
     
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    Ok I’ll belive you here but that doesn’t change some more reasonable problems I have. Her face still looks strange and plump and this wing thing is bugging me.
     
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    And we've yet to see that this show won't be comparatively as good as those. We've seen 2 wildly different clips and an intro. One clip shows promise, another clip looks relatively early in the setup.

    I'd also add "star vs the forces of evil" to that list too. CG TMNT that gets much praise now had non-stop hate thrown at it too. All because of three toes. It was called sacrilege because of an extra toe that actually made sense since they had 3 fingers. It was called choppy CG, and had many complaints thrown at it, and is now actively praised.

    And calling Looney Toons bad. There's straight up genius in those shorts down to even the music choices. There's massive depth to those shorts and yes quirkiness and randomness. Even the 'retired and sitcom styled' newer series was actually really intriguing in how it explored elements of their personalities in suburbia.

    And their examples were also mildly misinformed. Symbionic Titan had decent ratings, it got cancelled because it had no merchandising potential. Samurai Jack is similar in that regard(in fact the follow up was squarely aimed at adults). Ratings were good. Though demographic performance is the question too. But that also had to do with timeslot. Saturday evenings aren't exactly a kid friendly time slot. Anything after about 5pm isn't usually a decent ages 10 and under time slot, and if they want merchandising that's roughly where they need to appeal to barring a few select licenses that are wider merchandising appeal. Same reason YJ got cancelled by CN. The demographics weren't pulling in the right audience for merchandising even though the ratings were good.

    As for how they transform. Same complaints animated got. Early on people whined up and down nonstop about the "Tasmanian devil spin transformations" and now that show is praised. Like I said, it's a constant with nearly all 'fandoms'. They hate on anything new, then turn around later and praise it. Often ignoring how much negativity they said about it and acting like they were an early positive voice about the show with stuff like "I knew it'd be good!" and more.

    Same reactions every new show.
    We get something like previous, then "it's eww the same thing". We get something new, "eww it's a new artstyle". We get new characters, "but there are so many others they could use". We get older characters back, "but we want somebody new". We get AEC, "Not Wheeljack, Fatimus prime, not-star saber, not ironhide, Hot Shot sucks, why can't they use G1 characters?" Uses G1 characters, "why can't we get new characters?" Has a decent sized cast "too many characters to follow!" Lowers the focus to fewer characters, "we want more characters!" Uses lore, "we want something new!" Changes elements or adds to the lore to try something new, "they don't even know anything about the franchise if they can't get the lore right!"

    I mean really, let's break this down.

    New unique art style.
    Minimal to no human focus.
    G1 characters you know and love with also some new faces.
    A story that'll talk about history, downtime, and have an over-arcing sub story.
    Yet is still episodic and self-contained per episode.
    Characters will have personality based/key elements and abilities.
    Decepticons will be a foreboding menace/threat. Some with personalities you'll recognize, and some new additions.

    I don't think the issue is that "kids have terrible taste". But after seeing how areas reacted to new She-Ra or Voltron when it started, the opposite is the problem. TBH, even Thundercats Roar looks fun even though it's derided by "fan experts" 24/7. Even new TMNT looks fun with how it's essentially doing an Animated/FLCL hybrid of randomness. I'm actively excited to see what wild and wacky way they handle Karai in it later. The previous GL toon was the same in how much fan hate it got, but then turned to praise later and complaints the new characters in it never got figures.

    Then factor in bandwagon and herd mentality and the "alleged art experts" that crawl out of the woodwork, yet have no real show experience themselves etc. And it's the same thing every year, every show. Reactions like this go as far back as even Beast wars. It's one of those fan constants of arm chair internet experts.

    I'm going to wait to watch the show and with an open mind. If it's good, awesome. If it's not, well then at least the show will have had a chance to prove itself one way or another. But more often than not, Hasbro hasn't failed us on shows. They've got enough emmys from TF shows that I'm willing to wait and see what this offers.
     
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  5. Dinobot Snarl

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    I wish the Voltron team was handling this show. They're making a great show and toys are the after thought.
     
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  6. WishfulThinking

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    And that's why there aren't any Voltron toys on the shelf now. The show should have thrown Playmates a bone by introducing Voltron I or something -- anything than attempting to just sell the same lions for two years straight. 1984 Voltron feels like an act of desperation to offer retailers something completely different for once -- but it ended up being too little too late.
     
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    Not to spoil anything but recent developments in the story should create numorous toy possibilities also the new Voltron has always had distinct characters with cool weapons and suits that would make great figures. Voltron isn't just about the Lions.

    I personally expect to see them back on the shelves soon. Ideally a company that makes good action figures should tackle them though. Bandai Japan would knock this out of the park.

    Edit, must give the show runner's credit, they are creating a breathing universe.
     
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  8. Ramberk Magnus

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    I’m beyond glad the Voltron production staff didn’t have to introduce “toys” into the show. Let the toys be an afterthought.

    Transformers can emulate that formula. It was actually done with Beast Wars (tiny casts, huge selection of toys). The other wonderful thing about Voltron was the world building and steady introduction of new characters. That’s something the TF franchise could improve on in its next animated series.
     
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    Uh. No it wasn't. The entire BW cast was based on what toys would be available, and what toys Hasbro wanted to sell next influenced stories to the point where some characters got killed off simply based on what they wanted to sell.

    What Beast Wars did was do a good show anyway even with the mandates, but there were definitely mandates.
     
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  10. WishfulThinking

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    Also, the tiny cast was more of a limitation of budget than bucking Hasbro.
     
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    Uh. Right. Um. You do realize that was kind of the whole basis for a lot of the side lion armory stuff and other Voltron armaments. Including some of the early robeast gimmicks. And why season 8 is likely to go more new robeast types heavy. And season 6's additions. And season 7's additions. The toys aren't as much of an 'afterthought' as you may think. More it's a different issue of production cycle for show being too far ahead of the toys. A lot of the show is built on trying to feed stuff to toys. But because of the nature of it being a netflix show, the toys can slow build to it, whereas the show can introduce the material faster for the toys to do later. But the show is definitely made with toys in mind, and material introduced for toys. And occasionally full concepts built around the toys too.

    And the slow build of characters introduced and world building is what this is looking into doing. It's why we're pretty much starting off with Windblade and Bumblebee, with of course Prime referenced too. Others will be slow additions. That's actively what they did with Animated too. The story device to do so is through Bumblebee's memories. And many beast wars storylines were forced in from toys needing to be in the show. Rampage, Silverbolt, Tigerhawk, and many others were storylines created around the toys. Same to TM2 forms, and Optimal, and Dragon Megs.

    Animated was the first transformers series where designs and show came first, and toys were designed around it. This is the second series to have that approach.
     
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    Here, both the toys and the show look like an afterthought...
     
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  13. WishfulThinking

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    That's not a very good approach from a retailer position, though -- and why Voltron is off store shelves now. For what it's worth, Cyberverse is doing it right. Get a variety of toys on the shelves and then let the show build toward them, not the other way around. Beast Wars did the same thing -- we had Tigatron and Blackarachnia on the shelves far sooner than they appeared on the television show.
     
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    I am overwhelmed by the underwhelming blandness of this show...

    If it wasn't official, and I just saw this without context, I'd assume it was some half-ass'd Chinese knock-off Transformers series. The toys being essentially Happy Meal toys you have to pay for is also just more salt in the wound. I feel bad for kids these days mostly, we had things so good in our day, it's not fair to them to be honest.

    And yeah, the Bumblebee-talking-through-his-radio thing is so so so old, it's painful to watch at this point.
    I can almost visualize tumbleweeds rolling through Hasbro's creative department--this is just pathetic when it comes to originality.
     
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    I haven't seen this much hate for a cartoon since...well, anything Marvel Animation has put out in the last 6 years. Although, I don't mind those shows personally.

    But that's the Internet I guess. Hate bandwagons and all.
    I'm still giving Cyberverse a chance.
     
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    Looks decent, but it doesn't give me a great taste.


    Kids need quality shows too.
     
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    Marvel earned that vitriol. Avengers Assemble season 1 was a crime.
     
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    Quite.:confused: 
     
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    There are a lot of really long replies here, robots in disguise 2015. Was my least favorite show and I cannot even find a place to watch combinerForce.
    I cannot wait for the aligned continuity to end. It had such a strong start I hope this idea is ended shortly. The movements the speaking I don’t know if it’s just me but it all looks out of whack. There was some hunt for the Decepticons animation that I liked better. 

    I will give the show a chance but
    I would rather them bring back the people who made energon English dub. 
     
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    There are a lot of really long replies here, robots in disguise 2015. Was my least favorite show and I cannot even find a place to watch combinerForce.
    I cannot wait for the aligned continuity to end. It had such a strong start I hope this idea is ended shortly. The movements the speaking I don’t know if it’s just me but it all looks out of whack. There was some hunt for the Decepticons animation that I liked better. 

    I will give the show a chance but
    I would rather them bring back the people who made energon English dub.