Yup

 

Happens quite a bit, actually.
Plus, former employees are not going to be up to date on the contracts of their former employers.
Basically, they're giving info they cannot back.

I agree 100% they should just say nothing. There are some though that like to make themselves seem bigger than they really are. So they relay info they think sounds official, when it's not.

 

What HasTak employee said this? If you are talking about the shady recounting of a probably false story of someone who called a "Porsche rep" posted on another forum and 4chan, then I don't believe it.

 

How do we know there's no stand hole? Could be under the crotch similar to Primal.

 

This.

 

No...and I just said myself a page or so back that you can't trust that supposed Porsche rep info. The Hasbro employee was Rik Alveraz. He spoke about it on whichever podcast he's on around the time Maketoys Jazz came out. The Takara employee, I dont recall which one it was now, but it was one of the guys we've heard of. I dont think it was Hasui or Kobayashi as I'm sure I'd remember that. But it was at a toy convention a couple years ago. It's been talked about in this thread a few times now.

The point is there WAS a problem with licensing! Maybe they'll resolve whatever that problem was...I've said repeatedly that's possible...but you say you think the licensing angle is all hogwash. There's plenty of evidence that it at least was (and possibly still is) an issue. If it makes you feel better to believe it's all made up nonsense, though...I guess pop in some Journey and don't stop believin'.  

 

Well we all did believe the VW wasn’t going to go for it , and they did . Wheeeljack and Sunstreaker were nothing short of a pipe dream , and now we have both of them as well , along with a + version coming . V2.0 Meg’s ? Shit , the list goes on and on . IMO , I think anything’s possible at this point .

 

I'm still over the idea that porsche it's easier to convince than getting any chance to obtain a F1 license, that thing it's impossible.

 

No, I said I was of the opinion that Takara was just picking when they wanted to release Mirage, Jazz and CJ.
You then asked me if I thought the employee/former employee was lying.
My response was that they were placating the person asking, with a generic response. Which isn't lying. It's responding with your own take on what may be happening between companies.
We then spoke about employees/former employees as a whole ( not that specific employee/ former employee) giving out non-public company info that they couldn't back up, and how most companies frown upon employees/former employees speaking on non-public and unsubstantiated info.
Nowhere in our conversation did I say or accuse that specific employee/ former employee of lying.

 

Flashback:

Btw, Yuki also said Hound would be easy to get license.

 

I don't think the problem with Jazz is the "war toys" aspect. Unless Porsche is incredibly stubborn, that seems easy enough to get past (e.g. don't give him any weapons). The VW brand has much more prominent WWII/Nazi ties, and they dont seem to have a problem with licensing for Transformers.

I think the biggest problem with Jazz is just the design. In the cartoon, his hood chest is taller and thicker than the actual hood of the car. This could be difficult to make into a functional design, especially if Porsche doesn't want lots of panel lines/seams in the vehicle.

It could also be a Sunstreaker situation, where (it was speculated) the car in the cartoon was drawn so that it legally couldn't be licensed unless they included a real car mode. (this is unlikely, imo).

 

Do they need a license for a generic looking racing car that looks the same across countless companies? Maybe it's just the livery they need permission for? In which case there's instances where they don't even need to bother there:





No doubt both Toyhax (stickers) and Oceans (decals) will fill in the gaps if anyone really wants them. Might be the only shot of getting him.

 

This should be stickied.

Even if they don't include weapons with the toy, it could be not enough if the character fights in the associated media. It would still be a fighting robot involved in a war.
It could also very well be that Porsche isn't fine with panel breaks, especially if they can make the car look damaged. I remember lots of racing videogames in the past that couldn't show external damages to the cars after incidents because the manufacturers wouldn't allow it.

 

I'm pretty sure that there are ways around licensing issues. Especially with Cliffjumper. I don't doubt that the licenses are difficult to get but I would have to believe that they are doable.

I think some of it is they don't want to release all of the popular characters at the front end and just mix it up. I think Jazz definitely falls in that category. I would also think that the cartoon accuracy direction would also probably make it easier to obtain licenses or work around them as well. There are plenty of times in the cartoon that Mirage didn't have his livery shown for example.

 

The next magazine is out on the 24th, so it's definitely possible we'll have some scans as early as Tuesday. Here's hoping!

 

The problem is that Takara seems fully committed to license the autobot cars and Mirage is supposed to be a Ligier JS11, not just a generic racing car. Of course, the livery can be another big problem too.

 

Tbf I never said he was a generic racing car, I said he's a generic looking racing car, especially in the cartoon and if that's the sticking point to even getting a Mirage at all I'm sure most will be ok with it.

 

If they decide to go unlicensed yeah, they could give him a generic looking alternate mode like CW Mirage. I am one of the people who would be ok with that if the alternative means no MP Mirage but again given how committed they seem in licensing the cars I think there are low chances of that happening.

 

I dunno, you've made several comments in recent weeks suggesting the licensing issue is hogwash...and like your first line says, you're of the opinion TT is just picking their time...which again, suggests the licensing issue isn't a thing. My point is that it IS (or at the very least was) a thing. I'm NOT saying MP Jazz is NEVER going to happen...but I am saying it's not a lock to happen...and that it hasn't happened yet because of those issues.

Thank you.

There are definitely ways around them. They've been doing it for years in the other lines. The question is are they willing to go those routes in the MP line where they've put such an emphasis on licensed carbots?

 

They shouldn't. That is really the only advantage they have over their 3P counterparts. Without the licensing, you may as well get one of the various 3P versions