TakaraTomy Masterpiece Dinobot

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Type-R, Feb 18, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Sorrow Six Star

    Sorrow Six Star 3 2 1 Countach!

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2010
    Posts:
    2,254
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +1,370
    Ebay:
    Wasn’t trying to stir the pot by suggesting a V2. I also suggested not accepting a copy with an exploding arm. I wouldn’t.
     
  2. Sam

    Sam Arrival

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2013
    Posts:
    12,851
    News Credits:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    342
    Location:
    Cybertron
    Likes:
    +56,803
    Another solution is probably to put a dab of glue to connect the two pieces that the nub is trying to hold together? It looks like they used an extra strong spring because there's two ratchet joints working on the same spring. Correct me if this sounds wrong, but you don't want the nub to move at all, it's supposed to be holding the two outer ratchet parts together, right?
     
  3. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,975
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +100,139
    Instagram:
    No, it needs to move, otherwise the hinge the thigh panel is on would be unable to move for transformation. The gap serves both ratchets, not just the one, gluing it would mean neither side would have anywhere for the spring to compress.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. glinthos

    glinthos doomed hometown

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2015
    Posts:
    928
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Likes:
    +937
    I finally had a chance to play with mine, and I don't get what the fuss is about. The gap is there to let the ratchet teeth slide out and past each other. I'm not sure why they even made it a ratchet in the first place, since that joint is only used to bring the shoulders inward during transformation to robot mode.
     
  5. Sam

    Sam Arrival

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2013
    Posts:
    12,851
    News Credits:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    342
    Location:
    Cybertron
    Likes:
    +56,803
    Hmm so it's too ratchet joints compressed side by side, but they also need to be able to move independently to allow some transformation steps. Sounds very tricky, alright. Odd design.
     
  6. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,975
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +100,139
    Instagram:
    It actually isn't odd. It's very clever, unless of course the ratchet slider is too short. Then they fall out of alignment.
     
  7. Sam

    Sam Arrival

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2013
    Posts:
    12,851
    News Credits:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    342
    Location:
    Cybertron
    Likes:
    +56,803
    I really would need to have Dinobot in hand to better understand it. Not trying to diss the designers (that's not my MO), just trying to understand this better to maybe help with an easy solution for folks.

    @Primal Sabbath posted a video with one solution, though I'm not sure I understood:



    PS, was your solution to completely remove the spring from inside the assembly?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. jackisking

    jackisking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    15,609
    News Credits:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    Home of the Polish Boy
    Likes:
    +39,919
    I don't know if it's the nub too short vesus the problem with the spring in the left shoulder.Seems like the spring isn't compresses enough to close the left shoulder as far as it should be. In essence it's not much space causing the problem but one side rest in the well, the other just barely.
     
  9. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    97,975
    News Credits:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +100,139
    Instagram:
    Seems like the design would work just fine if one of the other was adjusted by just a millimeter.
     
  10. jackisking

    jackisking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    15,609
    News Credits:
    54
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    Home of the Polish Boy
    Likes:
    +39,919
    Yeah, I'm thinking either the spring used had inadequate strength or it was fired in at a bad angle causing the small gap. Most people probably won't have a problem with it anyways especially with oil to help with the gears teeth.
    The best way to describe is like this
    download (1).jpeg
    If you go nice and steady it's easy to keep the ball centered, it's when you started to go faster, you were no longer hitting the ball at the centered point but at angles that made it harder to control and eventually skipping the paddle. I can easily see the short side of the left nub if turned fast enough repeatedly could " lose" the edge of the well and hit the wall at an angle forcing it completely out. The gear teeth force the nub up and slightly in the direction of the teeth.
     
  11. eyeballkid

    eyeballkid Old

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Posts:
    5,477
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    347
    Likes:
    +2,742
    I haven’t transformed mine yet, I should probably do that sometime.
     
  12. Pharoid

    Pharoid Time Traveling Robot

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2013
    Posts:
    18,616
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    367
    Location:
    New Crobuzon
    Likes:
    +27,534
    Extremely happy with this guy. My only complaint would be the thigh ratchets have a little more “play” than I would prefer but other than that; a Masterpiece. I am going to have to get another copy.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Booster Gold

    Booster Gold Superhero?

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2014
    Posts:
    7,646
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Likes:
    +11,512
    There is no easy solution the pegs are too short/not compressed far enough into the slots to prevent them popping out if forced. The pegs need to be free to move so the joint can completes to allow the ratchet death to pass her one another. Basically if you have a stiff ratchet you are best greasing it before you start messing with it in the hope it eases stress on the joint.

    The forward(upper in the images below) ratchet facilitated the joint moving up and out away from the body, this could be used as a joint of articulation to raise his shoulders up in a 'shrug'. The back (lower in the images below) ratchet is concerned with tucking the thigh panels from the beast mode within his torso, once secured tis ratchet doesn't and cannot move in robot mode. Does that help?

    IMG_5111 (1).JPG IMG_5111.JPG
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  14. XXLMagnus

    XXLMagnus King of Kings

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2015
    Posts:
    4,274
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Location:
    Outer Space
    Likes:
    +4,445
    So was this guy worth it? There was sooo much conversation on this matter going in, I feel the silence is deafening ... although maybe that’s just the trolls moving onto greener pastures ... as a monied man, I feel my opinion would be worthless (I’ll buy any mainline MP release lol) but I’m anxious to hear how the more budget-conscious collector feels about this guy with regards to bang for your buck ... cheerio!
     
  15. Booster Gold

    Booster Gold Superhero?

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2014
    Posts:
    7,646
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Likes:
    +11,512
    IMO. Worth the price? No not really...worth having? Certainly. I feel like the MP line is moving into price points where it's hard to feel any of these guys are a bargain or indeed worth what you paid of them. If Dinobot were perfect/flawless MAYBE what I paid would be acceptable, as it is nah..however I wouldn't be without him. Flaws and all I need this MP in my life.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Sam

    Sam Arrival

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2013
    Posts:
    12,851
    News Credits:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    342
    Location:
    Cybertron
    Likes:
    +56,803
    But these need to move independently? If they both have ratchets, I don't understand why just gluing the tab into place wouldn't be ok. But you say both joints need to be able to rotate separately? So the tab does need to move to the other side of the joint? Not sure why the lower ratchet can't just accomplish that.

    Again, no Dinobot here so it's hard for me to understand just from words and pictures!
     
  17. AnonymousDwell

    AnonymousDwell Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2014
    Posts:
    8,521
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Location:
    N/A
    Likes:
    +13,152
  18. oku

    oku Chill.

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2009
    Posts:
    10,363
    News Credits:
    42
    Trophy Points:
    362
    Location:
    CA 91754
    Likes:
    +30,915
    At 16:00 This guy has an interesting way to transform the backpack

     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. Booster Gold

    Booster Gold Superhero?

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2014
    Posts:
    7,646
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    247
    Likes:
    +11,512
    The centre section needs to compress as each ratchet is turned, basically they operate independently but share the same spring. The peg needs to be able to move freely in and out of the recess as each ratchet is turned to Kapow the teeth to move over one another. It sort of difficult to explain I guess.
     
  20. BWfan86

    BWfan86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2013
    Posts:
    11,861
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +7,534
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.