No it wont underperform

 

Besides its low production budget, what makes you so sure? Honest friendly discussion question.

 

Yeah it has lots of CGI, that's for sure. Could swear some parts are very Pirates of the Caribbean-esqe.

It's really not doing anything for me story wise… Seems unfortunate that we had Thor and Black Panther recently. Superhero fatigue I suppose?

I want both to succeed. But you know... Let's be fair... They're both in universes that aren't really the best. But they both have their shining moments.

The more I read about Aquaman… The more I realise Aquaman is more like Thor than anything, which makes me wonder about versions like the ones Phil LaMarr voices. This is the same universe that changed a lot of things about Superman, Batman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday, Joker etc.

 

Mary Poppins doesn't seem to have a great deal of hype and buzz right now, but Disney is a pretty well oiled marketing machine when it comes to dusting off their old properties to make an insane amount at the movie theater. It's not the sort of movie I'd rush out to see but then I didn't see the live action Beauty and the Beast in theaters and it made insane money. I'm guessing Disney researched if there would be a nostalgia market for Mary Poppins before they ever started filming.

Comic Con was supposed to be a big hype push for Bumblebee. It was going to be their moment to win the geeks back and those geeks were going to go out and hype the movie for Paramount. But outside of places like this there really doesn't seem to be much hype for Bumblebee coming out of Comic Con. It seems like other movies managed to steal all the thunder. It could be a rough time ahead marketing the film.

As to how busy that release window is. It is just insane to have a crash up derby of films like that. I'm taking a guess that it's going to hurt the box office for everyone having too many new films all at once. The question then becomes who is hurt the most by their movie under preforming at the box office. Disney is having a good year and they should a load of movies in the top 10. But Paramount could be hurt the most since Mission Impossible might their only movie in the top 10 this year if Bumblebee can't stand out in the crowded new releases.

 

I just know it I knew from the beginning tlk was going flop I had a feeling it would and it did I dont have that feeling with bumblebee it's not gonna open big it'll make around 400 million since its budget is low if it makes that's much it'll be a win then there's China so I'm positive it wont undrperfom

 

What do you mean it's not a big push for Bumblebee? Depends on these geeks... Are these the ones that actually write reviews? And given that buzz... Mind you... Around Aquaman and Shazam. It's no surprise there was some anticipation to see fresh footage of Aqua-Thor.

Maybe something like Alita Battle Angel is more appropriate to what you are describing. I am barely hearing anything about that movie. Also Disney having a good year? Is that based on their Marvel movies? I hope everything for one specific movie will be okay....

 

On Poppins... It might do well off of families with children, but then, Aquaman and Into the Spiderverse, especially the latter, are wanting to do well with that market too. Ideally Bumblebee is aimed to be family friendly, but considering how vulgar the last five TF movies have been, it remains to be seen how many parents really think its safe to take their kids to this.

 

The only misfire Disney has had this year is Solo, really.

 

I think what he was trying to say is that Comic Con was supposed to impress the larger transformers fandom, which it... Didnt really do too well. Some people are excited (arguably more than for Last Knight), but not enough. If the Transformers base isn't particularly excited for it, who exactly is expected to watch the film?

 

If the trailer is any indication, it's fairly family-friendly as I believe they intend.

Who knows who's gonna win.

Still pretty bad considering how much Disney gets from the Star Wars franchise usually.

 

I am getting flashbacks to Pacific Rim and Grown Ups 2 coming out in the same week.

 

Easily more than TLK.... Finally a Transformers movie without Michael Bay. Take him out of the chair, the explosions are minimised, there's no need to objectify and there's more time to develop the characters. Oh, that character is not Starscream? The movie is bad now. In fact, I'm gonna put this cheesy song in.

And look, lets remember the hype for BvS….

I'm glad you're hyped by being around here.  

 

From the geek sites I go to there just isn't a great deal of coverage on Bumblebee. Just about everything I've heard about Bumblebee this weekend has come from here. I don't think it really helped things that people can post things like the new Godzilla trailer on Facebook to say they are excited for the new Godzilla movie or Spider Man fans can post pictures of the toys that got unveiled, but there isn't much to share about Bumblebee. It seems like Paramount should have gone in with a trailer to be shown after the presentation or some way to keep the Bumblebee toys from being lumped in with the other lines reveal.

I guess you can claim it had more coverage than Battle Angel, but is that low bar really where they should be aiming at? Without Marvel there to hog up all the attention it seems like it would have been a good time for Transformers to try to dominate the Comic Con news cycle.

 

Mary Poppins, another original story line, low expectations for that Disney movie.

 

I'm kind of surprised that they haven't announced a new release date for Bumblebee yet. With Mary Poppins moving to the same day, it seems like the best option. Maybe they want to wait until after all the Comic-Con hype is over, or just until closer to the movie.

 

They should have

 

That's a crappy comparison. Those other movies (Shazam, Godzilla, Aquaman) all had their first trailer shown during comic-con. So of course there was going to be a lot more hype and discussion about those films compared to Bumblebee (whose first trailer was shown a month or so ago). Using your logic, a month ago (when Bumblebee's 1st trailer was released) you could have said that there was a ton of hype about the Bumblebee movie on the internet but not much hype for any of the other movies.

The real test is what happens going forward.

With that said, these movie studios are stupid for releasing on the same date. All three films are going to be hurt to some extent by sharing that date. If I'm Hasbro/Paramount, I move Bumblebee to November 30th. There is little to no competition on that date. You would have a solid 2 weeks of being the top dog at the box office. Plus, it is still close enough to the Christmas break. Who cares about looking "weak". Let Aquaman and Mary Poppins duke it out and cannibalize each other on the 21st.

 

Honestly Mary Poppins is a movie no one asked for and I barely see anyone excited for that so I really dont see that being a problem Aquaman might underpreform due to the WODC status

 

I don’t think Aquaman is moving considering they had released a official poster with the date. My money is still on Bee to move especially since they haven’t specified a specific date on the posters and trailer yet. That weekend is going to be an absolute bloodbath, so it’ll be wise to avoid it.

 

It feels like Paramount was operating like it was ye old of entertainment journalism while Warner Brothers seemed to understand how people get their Comic Con news now.

Back in the old days Paramount's plan would have been just fine. People either had to wait for magazine coverage of what was presented at Comic Con or things would spread by word of mouth. Only showing new footage at Comic Con was fine because there just were not options to quickly get the hottest movie footage shown at Comic Con out to wider pop culture.

But now people get their Comic Con news off of things like their smart phones and the articles tend to focus on the movies and TV shows that have a trailer over a wall of text to describe what the author of the article saw. Just type Comic Con news into your search engine and most of the results are going to be something about trailers. While there was news about Bumblebee it's much harder to find articles about Bumblebee than it is to find just about every news article having something about the Aquaman trailer.

While it's possible for Bumblebee to be the king of hype because we still have months left before the release it just seems like Paramount hasn't been nimble enough to be able to strike when the iron is hot. Which makes me worry that it could be a case where we actually do get a really good movie but the marketing gets botched to hurt the box office run.