I think Takara strayed from the scale chart when the did hot rod, just like they did with Ultra Magus, and made him the size of earth carbots. The scale has Kup, acree, and hot rod a little bigger than earth carbots.

For lupus, you don’t need a taraka mp headmaster to know how he scales, you just look at the scale chart, he’s around primes height. I think because how big the headmaster head has to be, it’s causing them to be scaled a little bigger so it can have better portions. Just like the triple changers, they are a tad bigger probably out of necessity.

Season 4 just made everyone the same size for the most part

 

So tired of the scale crap.

it's like every other day.

GIVE IT UP already.

 

Nobody is putting a gun to your head GAUGE. This thread is purposed for scale opinion and disagreement of said scale opinion. Not heckling the thread.

 

Then maybe don’t visit the scale thread, simple fix and you won’t be missed

 

I insist that the manufacturers make my toys mass shift, law of conservation of mass be damned.

 

No its not. You are comparing oranges to lemons. You are comparing two machines that one of them makes calulations x times faster and easier, no counter argument about it with the way a toy is engineered, that has no distinct advantages or disadvantages and is left to the taste of the individual alone.

 

Both are fruits...

The abacus is less complex than a calculator, the pantsformer have their benefits but the engineering behind them is not impressive at all, they are just big and simple. The combiners that attempt to really transform into the parts of the gestalt are an engineering feat that is worth noting! And they are quite complex just like my previous post using the calculator as an analogy! Some of them are not as stable as the pantsformer "combiners" but that's because there are limitations in the design... Those limitations can be overcome with clever engineering unlike the simple and unimaginative use of "pants"...

The only combiner that use pants in a clever way is Warbotron Bruticus. Because the "pants" are part of Onslaught.

 

With completely different variables....are you seriously going to argue the logical fallacy now?

The elephant is thick skinned.
The president is thick skinned.
The president is an elephant.

They teach this in elementary schools, do I need to go on?

And this, is what we call an opinion and not a fact. Ergo it is based on perspective and taste.
And they are quite complex just like my previous post using the calculator as an analogy! Some of them are not as stable as the pantsformer "combiners" but that's because there are limitations in the design... Those limitations can be overcome with clever engineering unlike the simple and unimaginative use of "pants"...[/QUOTE]

And you just proved the point for me without doing anything. That is, it can be done and that you dont like it doesnt mean its obsolete or bad design or anything else.

 

I think that the MP scale is a bit flawed in terms of logic. That said, I want my toys to look cool, not bu ultra realistic. So I'm OK with a gun that is the size of a F-15, or a cassette that is as tall as a human is. I like to use my MMC tapes with my Soundwave (display, I like Soundwave way to much to cram them inside his chest   ). However, I also like it when there is some order. So I skip things such as Zeta's aerialbots - they just don't fit with my other stuff. I want them smaller, because the toys I had as a kid were small, though they probably fit in great with OS figures.

I'm not orthodox when it comes to this, but I do want companies to stick to several aspects: its rare that a Masterpiece will look well next to a CHUG (though not impossible - see attachment; I think that Blitzwing looks good here, Astrotrain is the odd one out).

 

A good MP, and a legends, Astrotrain would be super.

But, while I do get rewarding ingenuity in a Combiner that doesn’t partsform, a Combiner with accessory bits is both more likely to be bigger and more likely to have more individualized bots, since the peculiarities of different parts can make up the differences.

Reporting for the Lollipop Guild, part of what endeared me to Iron Factory’s Bruticus was that you could use his armor to make a bust or a statue or a shrine of Bruticus when they’re not combined.

It reminds me of post-apocalyptic archaeology in action RPGs, and the like. So, I’ve enjoyed posing my figs around it as though they’re a wandering cohort of space explorers, posting up against the remains of an ancestral cybertronian.

To wit, I might not get Dark Souls for Switch at release, but I would consider buying a Bonfire amiibo without the game, just to sit amidst my legends figs! I also like the idea of, for example, putting tooth picks through some gummy candies so it looks like they’re roasting energon on an open fire of rusty, cybertronian swords.  

 

I am sorry but you still don't have a point. The pantsformers you love so much (and is nothing wrong with that) are LESS COMPLEX than the other combiners and that is a FACT, not an opinion. I like what Warbotron did with the combined mode of their Bruticus, the trailer transforms into the crotch and thighs of the Gestalt, WB Bruticus is not a pantsformer. You are just defending the lazy designs of TW and Zeta which are not more complex or clever than a CW figure.

Both are fruits and both are Rutaceae they are even closer phylogenetically than your example with a human and a elephant... But wait that is not teach in elementary school, am I right!? Never make fun of people telling them "stupid" just because you are trying to be smart! Go back to elementary school to make some good analogies!

If you like the Pantsformer from TW and ZT, that's fine, but their solutions are not elegant nor impressive. Those are solid and good looking combiners made in G1 STYLE, I will give you that.

 

@BIOMEC

If you can find where Optimus Prime's and Motor Masters trailer disappears when in bot mode and incorporate that technology in real life for combiners then you'll get my vote for POTUS. Until then I will gladly take a pantsformer. It's not an elegant solution but it works damn well.

 

You are not wrong! But I am still on the camp of innovation.  

 

Telling people what they can and can't talk about?

Oppressive!

You'll only drive the discussion underground. We'll create hidden illegal threads to talk about scale.

 

There is a difference between innovation and over complicating something at the cost of its main function. Trying to cram the combiner parts like feet, hand, pants etc, into all the bots leads sacrificing essential qualities. It can cause bad portions in bot and combined modes, smaller weaker ratchets, less articulation, less stability etc. Sometimes simple means stronger, and more functional.

What some see as innovation others see as this:

 

Its actually you that you dont have a point.

First of all it has nothing to do with love. This again an illogical assumption you conjure out of thin air.
Second it has nothing to do with complexity. This is an arbitrary rule, you conjure again out of thin air to promote a supposed superiority. At what rulebook does it state that for the result to be good you have to make it complex?
Third I dont defend Zeta or Toyworld because I have none of them. But to their credit they did produce the best cartoon accurate Bruticus and Devastator to date. And thats a fact which makes this antiquated process work and once again proves that everything you say not only is mired in illogical assumptions but your own opinion and not a fact.

Yeah I doubt you even knew both of what those meant before you googled similarities between those two     I will make fun of people doing that because I am not smart. I have an opinion without google and instead of trying to win an argument that I know it doesnt stand and keep a hard heard head approach, I will admit I am wrong. Something you should learn to do. Until you do, I will make fun of you. Hey at least I dont search google for fancy words now do I ;D

Continue with the assumptions, you might hit a mark one day. But so far you are not good at it  

Oh BTW, I can bold text too  

And horribly looks apparently. And that boy constitutes an opinion, just like your own preference and what you consider good or bad in engineering  


EDIT: And let me put this here, because I am damned sure you are missing the point of my reply: I dont say that all combiners should be parts formers and that every other tech should be thrown in the dust bin. I am saying that it is entirely feasible to have parts former combiners that do the job better than other kinds of tech as has already been showcased. Whatever brings results should be the preferable method. Antiquated or not. And thats my difference with your PoV, that you disregard anything and everything that is old regardless of its ability to deliver at times better results.

 

That's why I have two displays, One robot display and one alt display. Need to take some updated pics.

 

This is funny because I proposed that scale talk shouldn’t be discussed in other threads. But, you know what. This is the thread for Masterpiece Scale talk. So to quote the rednecks In South Park. “If you don’t like it, you can get Ouuuuutttt!!!”

 

And you just proved the point for me without doing anything. That is, it can be done and that you dont like it doesnt mean its obsolete or bad design or anything else.[/QUOTE]

Oh my god... Seriously, go back to school and learn some manners too... I will not continue, it is pointless...

 

Updated pic with added background