With all the complaining and controversy, I'd not be surprised if the seeker turns out to be a previously unknown RainMaker called "shitstorm"  

 

Now I wonder if maybe the scene of

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the Seeker dying

was a fake scene all along meant to fool the test audience so as to not give a way that Starscream was in this movie and that he was

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meant to survive

all along?

Uh, no, no, and no. This isn't the same as getting a 6-foot-something African American Actor to play a character previously played by another 6-foot-something African American actor (thinking of Terrence Howard/Don Cheadle as Rhodey/War Machine is the MCU), this is a giant alien robot who is designed the way he looked in the first movie in 2007, but somehow doesn't look anything like that in the 1980's. And

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being frozen

completely stops any ability to simply

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reformat his body somehow.

It is a straight-up; no if's, and's, or but's about it, Continuity Error. And like I said, considering that Hasbro has stepped in and taken some control away from Paramount because they just couldn't get this franchise where they all wanted it, I'd say a continuity error like that would not be easily overlooked or just left alone if it was discovered. I feel this is strong evidence that they plan to disconnect it from the last 5 movies and use it as the first movie in a new Transformers/Hasbro Live-Action Movie Universe.

...No...no it doesn't...

And this is the only Movieverse Ramjet figure Hasbro ever released.

 

I mean, not to be pedantic, but...

 

While this was actually named Thrust - because the Breakaway retool was a red guy outright named Thrust complete with pointy head - the two-pack version looks suspiciously very Ramjet like.


Plus, it isn't like the toys ever have real weight with the actual movie lore or plot or whatever. The G1 Jazz Target exclusive deco had a bio implying he survived getting ripped in half by Megatron.

 

Thank you, Burnout, I was just going to post that. He looks like the 2007 figure. I have that Claw Slash Ramjet, and he looks like that. I'm not saying it's actually Ramjet, of course it was more likely to be Starscream. But it looks like that Ramjet figure.

 

Then consider it a reboot if that's what settles your cognitive dissonance. Other members of the audience will be able to suspend their disbelief if they wish to consider Bumblebee a part of the '07 continuity.

 

I think you mean Terence Howard (Terence Stamp to Don Cheadle would be a significant change lol ).

I think we'll all have agree to disagree here. I guess some people will be ok with it and others won't if it doesn't prove to be some kind of reboot.

 

Well then...

 

Mistery solved!  

 

Kinda looks like a complete physical overhaul of his robot limbs to me.

 

1st paragraph: Yes on YouTube these idiots were coming up with all kinds of Bullshit saying it was Ramjet & they knew that and anyone that thought it was Starscream was stupid yada yada yada ya. I of course argued with them.

2nd paragraph: Yea it was said it was Starscream inside the screening by members of Hasbro's cinema team that showed it off. And with that logic then Bumblebee is too small to fill in Plus we don't know the story, if it really will connect to 2007, OR seen Starscream's legs yet. For all we know they are taking the same story but redoing it fixing character designs, character plots, and plot holes ect. It's very possible.

 

OH REEEALLY? That's pretty cool and it actually matches up what I just replied to Autobot Burnout about Starscream going from 2018 G1 movie Starscream to the chicken-legged dorito Starscream, which was maybe Hasbro wants to keep the main parts of the story and just redo it with better character development, better character designs, and fill in plot holes ect. Your post here makes me believe I might be on the right track. Thanks !

 

FFS that isn't even in the same league as the difference between the Trailer seeker and movie Starscream. Yes, the robot mode is more different than I thought, but for the most part the proportions are just the same between them, parts are GENERALLY in the same place (he even still has the spike plates on the front of his feet), and ultimately just the same core body with shifted body armor. And much less a radical transformation than AoE Bumblebee going from the Charger to the Stinger copy.

Well, I don't pay attention to youtube videos of that nature, so I was unaware of that stuff.

Strange how TFW didn't cover that at any point.

Bumblebee is noticeably smaller in the trailer than he is in the first film, which is set about 20 years later. The given story is that this is a much younger Bumblebee than the one we know from the films. Plus you can still identify the major details from the original movie design that this younger,shorter one 'grows' into - shoulder details, wheels behind the shoulders, door wings (admittedly VW mode has them closed on the back as opposed to open on the Camaro mode), and his head is more or less identical as well.

Why is everybody hung up on not seeing the legs? Why the HELL would they go for a straight G1 robot mode only in the upper body and then make chicken legs? Kind of missing the point entirely there.

It really is confusing what Paramount is doing now - we still don't know if it's a hard reboot or not.

If the plot summary of the screening I was told is still accurate, then the BB film has far more in common with Iron Giant than the 2007 film.

And just because Megatron pops up still frozen in ice but with a more G1 design means nothing. After all, he's still frozen. How do you explain him changing body forms when he can't physically move in the twenty years between this film and the 2007 film? That's a plot hole right out of the gate!

 

Did "Ramjet" actually come from one of the users that allegedly saw an early screening or is that speculation?

"Ramjet" sounds a bit lame and I'd have imagined they'd have gone with something a bit more intimidating (though I guess it would fit with a G1-ish vibe).

 

As far as I can tell, "Ramjet" is just speculation.

 

It's speculation

 

Mostly because of the red and white colour scheme, which does work for Starscream, but Ramjets the original pale lad.

It also means that if it isn't Starscream they can kill him off without any snafus.

 

Thanks, I had a feeling it was speculation.

Personally I think it's a stretch to cling to Ramjet because of a repaint from the 2007 line. The design is obviously a representation of Starscream, but if the character itself isn't Starscream then they may as well call him anything they want.

 

Nobody cares about the 2007 repaint, the G1 Ramjet design was mostly white with red highlights and black trim, which is why he's speculated to be the character if it isn't Starscream as he's the closest second match to a user of that color pallete.

 

IF the Seeker (which I still think is a better thing to call him at this point than Starscream, and INFINITELY better than calling him Ramjet) is Starscream...and IF he dies at the end of this movie...

...I think it'd be funny as all hell watching the spit fly from all sides if Knight and Hodson somehow retconned in Starscream's whole "mutant spark" bit from G1/BW.