Black Mamba Combiner Wars Compatible Motormaster

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by MrDipnSlip, Apr 7, 2018.

  1. Fenrys

    Fenrys Formerly Tigatron2002

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    not stirring the pot, i had valid points (plural, not just one) and one or two people decided to provoke me. i recommend for context you read the current discussion from the beginning. anyway this thread should probably be locked anyway since the product is dead.

    also you may not think a sample size of two is adequate, but its what we have. neither did particularly well (for various reasons) so it stands to reason that any company considering a torso to go with official products will take those two products into consideration since its targeting a similar market
     
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    I have read the entire thread; been keeping up on it since it started. I stand by my comment; one FOC combiner and one floppy mess is not enough data to determine if there is an enough interest in 3P CW style torso and limb bots.

    FYI, I usually see your name in other threads and am interested in what you have to say. I just think in this in instance you came in a little hot and feel like speculation on your part should be given a certain measure of credibility...when it really is just speculation.
     
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    Fair enough, but I never presented it as fact and always said it was an assumption or a logical conclusion based on what we have (at least that’s been my intent) and that black mamba probably factored that information into their decision (even though it’s not a lot of info). I came in hot because someone wanted people to lose their jobs for not producing a toy he wanted, which is a sentiment that shows the ugly face of any fandom
     
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    Glad I still have my Fansproject Menasor. I would have bought this but oh well..
     
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    I totally agree that there are other posters- in all threads- who take things to pure crazy town levels; maybe that's why I replied only to you, I felt I could at least have a conversation. Personally, I have been wanting a new Motormaster since day one, as he is probably my biggest issue with all of CW. Your point does stand though that companies need to strike when the iron is hot and releasing this so late in the game might have made this DOA. They would have had my money, but that's all I could guarantee.
     
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    They probably would have gotten mine too in all honesty but I think my expectations were tempered a bit. The only companies I’ve ever seen release upgrade kits way late have been beelzeboss, fansproject, snd and transform dreamwave
     
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    Eh. I don't think this board in general is ever clearly indicative of what people actually want. It shows me that someone wants the toy. It also shows me some don't want, or don't care about the toy. As long as there's a demand, there's a market. There are plenty of threads that go on and on for pages, and the product ends up flopping. There are plenty of pages where the product does just fine, but aren't anywhere near as long as the threads where the product flopped. Bottom line, the thread's had a pretty short lifespan (2 months?) and with no information coming in from the company other than a few old screenshots, you're not going to get a lot of action.

    Slow your roll, hoss. I don't actually disagree with your primary points - that someone out there wanted this, and it would have been nice to have a decent CW Motormaster. In fact, I don't think @tigatron2002 even disagrees with that concept. The problem is that @tigatron2002 just isn't doing any of the things you're inferring that he's doing. There's nothing in his statements that shows that he's "acting" like nobody wanted a CW Motormaster replacement, or that everyone chucked their toys in the garbage. His points were:

    This statement shows he's trying to put himself in their shoes in order to suss out why this thing was cancelled rather than casting aspersions on toy purchasers. He's specifically pointing out potential risks a toymaker might consider when deciding to create a product. Whether he's wrong or right regarding how Black Mamba makes their business decisions is debatable. Gonna bet dollars to doughnuts that if someone ran up to @tigatron2002 and said "Hey, Black Mamba 3P Motormaster is on sale at [Retailer] for $30 bucks." he'd probably buy the damn thing.
     
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    thanks for the backup :)  and yep, if it was on sale for $30 id probably buy it provided it seemed like a solid purchase :) 
     
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    You're welcome. We've disagreed before, but I think it's important that everything is clear, especially in text communication. You never know when the only difference between a friend and an enemy is just a communication error, you know?
     
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    Definitely. Disagreements are part of life, no need to be enemies as long as we understand each other :) 
     
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    I'm agreeing with this.
     
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    A sample size of this thread is not enough evidence to show that BM canceling this project is a folly.
     
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    That’s nice, happy for you
     
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    I bought CW Motormaster but never got around to the limbs. This looks cool but my interest in toys is dying.

    UPDATE: months later I bought the UW Menasor set & Motormaster's waste disintegrated. So now I'm really losing interest.
     
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    WHY IS THIS DEAD PLEASE BRING IT BACK ARGH
     
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    OMG why the heck did they cancel?? This is what I have been waiting for and I would have purchased 2 sets right out the gate :( 
    I hope one of the other companies picks this project up or maybe someone like Jinbao or Wei-Jiang would come along and oversize them?
    I want some more combiners in the Wei-Jiang Predaking size scale or Jinabao's Bruticus size scale at the very least..
     
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    WOW:eek: !!! Which one, the CW or the one from the UW set?
     
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    I have a UW set and the upgrade kit I'm considering selling. Any interest?
     
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    Most likely UW. That happened to a few of them, including mine. It looks pretty scary but it's an easy fix as long as you can get hold of a CW Motormaster for spare parts.

    This is my repaired copy. I never bothered to paint him since he spends most of his time in combined mode where you can't see it.

    20180909_155055.jpg

    Repairs aside, UW Menasor is a lot more stable than CW, and he's one of my favorites. But I'd still love a 3p CW compatible Motormaster. The Onslaught design is nice too - given the chance I'd go for both.
     
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    R.I.P. Black Mamba!
     
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