that told me nothing

 

Because we want change, it doesn't happen by being quiet. And if we suddenly stop supporting the franchise we want them to know why.

 

The one good thing about a year of pushing Bumblebee is that "Maybe" it might encourage Takara and Hasbro to make some other MP Bumblebees that might be of potential interest such as The World War 2 design and the VW and the 1970's Camero.

Also as part of a more general push for bee it might perhaps encourgae them to make at least something half decent using the Bee-slanted Cyberverse / Evergreen continuity. As I really like the designs I just think every thing we have seen so far toywise isn't worth my time.
At the very least i'd like some proper Voyagers.

Since Hasbro seem to have completely lost interest in Generations/Power of the Primes I expect the releases for that will either be very small numbers of waves per year with the same lack of push POTP has - or they will just scrap the premise completely and keep throwing out Movie toys and Cyberverse. I'd be disapointed to never get that Potential Flywheels or the Headmaster Triplechangers.

The main reason it would depress me though is it would be another darn reset eventually and more of the same "Core Characters" again (just like Cyberverse is) the main reason Generations was worthwhile was because it wasn't just that.

I don't know what is up with retailers not buying this stuff it seems to sell once they actually bother ordering it.

 

God I hope this movie flops so hard. This Bayverse stuff needs to die and get buried already.

 

Hasbro wouldn’t be in this predicament if they had kicked Bay to the curb 7 years ago.

Just because subpar quality makes big money doesn’t mean it’s gonna continue to do so

 

The answer to if it's a reboot or not was the most words I've seen used to say nothing in a very long time. I mean seriously, it's a simple question. You don't need to blahdedeblahblather on that long to essentially side-step answering it. How about next time he just say "no comment?" That'd take a lot less time to read about and impart just as much knowledge.

 

Serious question-
If those enjoying and cherishing the movies love them so much, why continually visit every movie related news thread and praise them repeatedly, alienating those that do not enjoy them because their opinions don't allign with their own and creating yet more discord? Posters are even being called out by name because they are well known as vocal "lovers". That says something.

Really, it is necessary to cause such strife? Hell, I am pretty tired of the movies as well and would welcome a change or rebirth. It doesn't mean those that do not enjoy them are wrong, or that the movies/designs are good.

Sheesh, just say your peace if you have to and MOVE ON. The redundancy is tiring.


See, works both ways. I have seen bitterness on both sides. One group wants stuff to change, one group wants it to stay as it is. And only a few can discuss it peacefully.
People on this board can go wherever they want, visit any topic they want and give the opinion they have when they want. Thats not up to anyone but yourself.

However, keep it civilised. If you dont agree with someone or dont want to engage certain discussions, heres a tip:
Dont reply to those people.

 

Or, perhaps, the movie fans shouldn’t be so sensitive to criticisms of the movie. As long as the movie opponents aren’t personally attacking the movie fans, criticism of the movies is a completely appropriate part of the movie discussions.

 

Not true. No executive is going to simply jump to the extreme that a decline in interest in the specific film series equates to a decline in interest of the brand overall without exploring and researching the issue further.

 

I'm not so certain about that. Look at Solo. It's gotten mixed reviews and is down in terms of revenue for a Star Wars movie (so much so as to be seen as a flop by the studio despite probably being considered a success by other studio's standards). Disney is now looking at the release schedule (Avengers and Deadpool are both still in theaters...and with ticket prices ever steadily increasing, you have consumers being more picky on which movies they want to watch in a given month) and whether too many Star Wars movies in a short period of time is a good thing. We're still getting EP9 in winter 2019, though. (If anything, Disney might put off spin off films for a bit.)

This is what happened to The Last Knight as well...it was successful, just not gonzo successful in what the studio was literally banking on. Bumblebee (just like EP9) was already in production, so Hasbro and Paramount trod ahead with that.

In the end, we'll continue to get Star Wars and Transformers movies because both franchises have a track record of $$$$$$$!!!!!! But if EP9 or BB "flop" (they can still be successful...but they need to be REALLY successful), count on both studios to look at different directions for their franchises rather than release dates and other issues.

And lastly, movie toys sell. They sell the best! Hasbro wants to sell movie toys. There will be more movies.

 

Ehh.... too late to get in before people dismiss this as PR spin - of COURSE they will spin things positively. It’s smart business. But you know what? These were pretty honest, non-evasive answers. I didn’t feel like there was any corporate subtext or flippant dismissal of the questions. It (quite rightly) kept the focus on the positives of the new film, what they felt was lacking from the recent installments, and an honest take on why they pulled the 2019 installment.

Maybe B.B. the movie will be good, maybe it will tank, but it seems the people in charge at least believe in the franchise enough now to take a step back and think about what the brand is about, why it resonates with audiences, and how they can bring back some of the magic that inspires old and new fans. Nothing wrong with what was said here in my opinion and I’m quite satisfied with this, PR spin or not.

But now they have to deliver on this promise. That’s going to be the real trick, isn’t it?

-A.S.

 

There's a big risk factor for the Bumblebee movie simply because Hasbro is banking the ENTIRE franchise on one character that they want us to believe is beloved by all. But there's a vocal minority that are sick of having Bumblebee shoved down our throats, and now we're getting a movie focused on him and a new cartoon devoted entirely to Bumblebee's adventures (from the summaries we've been given so far). I actually sorta like the little yellow fella and I'm getting Bumblebee burnout. I'd think there's a limit to how much of one character the world at large will tolerate. It's like if the entire Marvel universe, cinematic and comic book, suddenly focused the entire franchise around Ant Man and the only time we get glimpses of any of the other heroes it's through his eyes/story. Eventually people would have enough of it.

 

Well, Bumblebee isn't Ant Man in the eyes of children. He's more on par with Captain America now. And, like they said in the Q&A, they're searching for the magic of Speilberg's "boy and his car" motif from Transformers 2007 and G1 MTMTE.

 

I guess my point was more that using one character as a franchise focus may be a mistake. I know I'd only put up with two or three Captain America movies in a row without anything breaking it up, even if I love Captain America.

And I get the boy and his car thing too. I just hope they use this as a springboard to develop a good story involving multiple characters, and not as a vindication that Bumblebee overkill is the only way forward.

 

So who is more delusional, Hasbro or Lucasfilms?

TBH, the haters and the fanboys are equally annoying to me. Sure, the haters always show up, but the die-hards will make a stink if you don't think these things are Oscar-worthy. Dare to suggest that maybe the robots shouldn't look like an aborted love child of Bionacle and H.P. Lovecraft, or that the movies could stand something called a character arc, and you'll catch all sorts of hell and called a "geewunner."

 

Omg, same

 

Success is a function of profit not gross sales, so no other studio would look at Solo and see it a success when it is tracking at a box office loss.

You can’t both flop and be succesful. A flop inherently means it didn’t achieve the desired results.