If Batman's movie franchise was able to rebound from Batman and Robin with the Dark Knight Trilogy then it shouldn't be hard for the Transformers to get a similar comeback.

 

To be frank they can easily take all or no influence from any and all iterations of the franchise so they can either pander to TF fans as generally as possible or just work in aspects of various franchises slowly and steadily. Needless to say it's easy enough to pander to a group and still piss them off. Marvel fans seem to have been mixed at best on Regeneration 1 and then there's things like the Beast and also some of DW's stuff which didn't always go well with fans either.

 

What a waste. I really loved the movies, every single one of them was at the very least enjoyable if not outright good (the first, third and fourth being the biggest standouts) and The Last Knight was setting up something I KNOW people were excited to finally see done on the big screen (Unicron, his first movie appearance since the original in the 80's) and now that stinger at the end is just a giant, planet-sized cocktease and it really sucks.

Glad the whiners get to gloat over this at least, congrats guys, you won, hope you're happy.

 

This is great news. Hopefully this time around things turn out better.

 

When they say "in the direction of Bumblebee", are they saying that in a creative sense? I get Bumblebee is a popular boi, but I've always seen him as a supporting character.

 

Except they kept the nipple suits. Well, I guess we'll see, but everytime I try to get excited I remember that Bee still has ball gag mouth.

Sorry dude you had 10 years. You already won. Those of us who stuck with this franchise despite Bay's Horrible movies deserve something. I just don't know if we're getting anything yet.

 

Only if the Transformers live action is completely, totally overhauled with a fresh new story and take, a solid narrative, coherent plot points, interesting Cybertronian characters that actually interact with the people and environment around them, some new take on the characters, etc. which means, it would have to totally separate from the Bay Transformers completely. Any mention of Bay should not be in the reboots. It’s going to be a whole new project.

Most likely the reason why the Nolan Batman movies were so successful was a combination of factors that just got together to deliver a rebooted movie that gave us a more realistic Batman apart from the Burton Batman of the late 80s. The underlying theme is what if Batman actually existed at present time in our world, not the fantastical world with gothic underpinnings of the Burton Batman.

Publicity, marketing & new gimmicks are also going to play big factors. I keep coming back to the fembots & how they should be used to cater to sex appeal. Remember, this is the age of Wonder Woman and Black Panther. It doesn’t mean the rebooted Transformers are going to go SJW.
It just needs to use its other potentially interesting characters other than Optimus & Bumblebee in much the same way DC and Marvel did (by utilizing Wonder Woman and Black Panther more).

have magazine covers of a new female actress in sexy biker attire on a sleek pink motorcycle which would be the alt-mode of a female Autobot. There’s your publicity and controversy. And remember, no publicity is bad publicity. If you’re selling a product or item, it has to generate a massive level of interest and hype that people are not going to want to miss what all the fuss is about.

Also get actual actors and actresses to play the Transformers via motion-capture. It would add more publicity and hype, specially to the fans of said actors and actresses. What would also generate hype are controversial designs for female Cybertronians both Autobots and Decepticons that should exude lots of sex appeal.

Bottom line: there just needs to be a complete massive overhaul under an able and competent director who can do all action, special effects and storytelling. The solid storytelling and its coherence, above all else, is what will generate positive word-of-mouth and overall positive critical reaction.

 

Even though this is supposed to be a reboot, they are pushing Bay style movie toys, which were going to coincide with the Bumblebee Movie, that alone worries me.

 

There are just so many ways a new aesthetic could bring the movie series to what it should have been in the first place: an hommage to G1, using an updated CGI style. Having actual character development past Prime, Bee and the random Jar Jar Binks characters for the kids. Simply put, make it a cool movie that doesnt target kids with short attention spans as their main audience. If it really gets the G1 fans out there to support it, the kids will come along, just as they did for bloody Star Wars. But that cant seem to ever happen for a multitude of stupid excuses, sooooo...back to whatever it was I was doing.

 

So we\'re getting movie, comics and cartoon reboots of the universe and the start of the new toyline in one year? :wow

 

Do you really need to mention that movie in every thread at every opportunity? Like if you don't like it that's fine, but you seem to consider it a scapegoat for anything and everything. Furthermore, whatever happens after Bumblebee should not be validation for one's opinion about past Transformers movies, whether those opinions are positive or negative.

 

There's a TF 6?

 

I’m down. Hopefully these new movies will diverge into a more flushed out and story driven series with proper character development.

But if the MBay Series is to end, they should AT LEAST wrap The Last Knight up with a canonical Comic or something to conclude that series, at least.

 

Dont forget Spider-Man, Spider-Man box office return was going down and given the reception Amazing Spider-Man 2 had, i am sure it would've gone down even more if ASM3 happened, but Spider-Man Homecoming was received well and it made more than what the Andrew films did.

 

Yes, yes it could be.

Peter Cullen isn't in Beast Wars - there you have Davie Kaye and his wildly famous Megatron voice.

How can you tell me the 'don't count the chickens until they hatch' line and then proceed into a perfect example of "don't count your chickens" by quoting what a bunch of random people said about footage none of us have seen? It doesn't matter what the early stuff is shown - because I can just as easily point you to people who loved the trailer for The Last Knight and hated the actual film!

Furthermore, has the mass of the general public seen that footage? NO! They will be the ones who decide if Bumblebee lives or dies at the box office this holiday season, not a bunch of randos from CinemaCon who seem to be happy that the Bumblebee footage wasn't more of the same as the rest of the films.

 

You do realize you are completely missing a critical detail here, in that there was a period of EIGHT FUCKING YEARS between B&R (1997) and Batman Begins (2005), right?

That's not a rebound. That's "we really fucked up hard here so we're not even going to touch it until the movie going audience is absolutely certain that the next time we try this, it won't be ANYTHING like that terrible film."

We're only one year past TLK, because of Goldner's absolutely insane 'one film a year for three years' plan which has backfired spectacularly with TLK's box office failures. TLK being an absolute shitshow is still relatively fresh in the minds of the movie going general public, with barely more than a year between it and more The Adventures of Bumblebee. The fact Bumblebee still looks sort of like he does in the previous films is going to hurt more than help, compounded by the fact most people who will see the film probably don't even know Bay isn't directing again (and if you asked them who Travis Knight was, they probably wouldn't be able to tell you either)

Because I do consider it as being why the movies went into such a tailspin? AoE was slammed by critics hard enough that Paramount desperately tried to overcorrect by literally removing everything "new" that AoE introduced - the shitty cheap "non-transformation" transformations, the horrid new designs, the fact the Decepticons barely even existed in the film, none of the humans returning from DOTM in favor of Cade "More of a Mary Sue than Shia Labeouf's character" Yeager, and COMPLETE contradiction of lore from the previous three films I.E. what the fuck was the AllSpark if it WASN'T the one that made the Transformers as stated in the opening of the first film? - but by doing so, demonstrated Paramount had only tried to change things for the sake of changing things and had failed, and thus TLK was them trying to kiss ass to fix the franchise more than actually DO anything with the plotline.

Oh, and all the fun messages I got because I wasn't crying crocodile tears in my comment back when we learned Ratchet died. I may be vocal in how much I wish AoE was erased from existence, but I don't actually go out of my way to attack those I disagree with like many people did when defending/white knighting AoE against me.

That they completely fucking abandoned any sense of trying to retain anything that AoE introduced? TLK doing that already is all the validation I need for claiming AoE was a shitshow that never should have been attempted.

 

Good news to me  

 

Even though the Dark Knight trilogy is great, it's not the ideal way of being a rebooted series. Part of the fun with Batman for me was the fantastical elements.

Having stuff like Joker and his cartoon antics; Two-Face and his split personality or comic book Bane.

Could you also imagine what Poison Ivy, Penguin, Clayface or Mr. Freeze would look like in Nolan's universe?

That being said doing the retro route for Transformers seems like one way to re-energize the franchise.

First of all, chill....

Second of all, how do you explain Spider-Man then?

2014 was ASM2 then 2016 we got Spidey in Civil War before Homecoming.

 

Because Amazing Spider Man was the second attempt at a modern Spider Man after the Sam Rami films, but Sony was not doing so hot with them and so ultimately made an agreement with Disney to let them use the character in the MCU. After all, Iron Man/Stark is used as an explanation for how Spidey goes from homemade costume to actual sophisticated spandex suit. Additionally, Homecoming skips going over Spidey's origin story about the radioactive spider bite since in Civil War he already has the powers and been moonlighting as a hero for a while, so it wastes no time establishing his relationship with Stark and getting him right into the action.

The difference with Spidey is that his third incarnation came packaged with the fact he would be part of the MCU, which besides Iron Man 3, has been solid with its offerings across the board, so right off the bat people knew it wasn't going to be the same as Amazing Spider Man.

Bumblebee is still a transformers film produced by Paramount, just like the last five films.

 

F**k Bumblebee give us Unicron !
Is there any way the fandom can bait Michael Bay into doing it one last time?

 

At last it got cleared up.

I'd want to think that the bayverse history ends with Unicron devouring the humans (who cares about those jerks anyway) and the autobots living happily ever after in cybertron.