Um, Bumblebee is happening. He's been a main character in most Transformers fiction since 2007, and the movie and show centered around him are in production.

Exaggeration for the sale of marketing... Never seen that before... Honestly, while it is presumptuous to assume everyone likes Bumblebee, it's also presumptuous to assume no one likes him. If Bee wasn't popular, he wouldn't have earned this push.

I got into Transformers in 2008, and I grew up enjoying Bee in the Movies, Animated, and Prime. My brother, who's 11, likes Bumblebee. There's a thread in the Toy Discussion based around how kids react to collections, and multiple people have stated that the kid prefers Bumblebee.

Bumblebee in the movies is a loyal, protective guardian with a bit of an attitude. I could infer that from watching the first movie as a teen year old who mistook Jazz for Ironhide.

 

...but, when bumblebee's the character that gets 90% of the screentime and merchandising push, of course he's going to be the most popular. the rest get 5 minutes of screentime and are dull colors. of course kids flock to bumblebee. he's designed to appeal to kids.

 

Except for Optimus Prime, Sentinel Prime, Drift, Crosshairs, Ratchet, Devastator, Skids, Mudflap, the Wreckers, Dino, Stinger, Junkheap, TLK Barricade, Onslaught, etc.

I'm not saying all Bayverse Transformers are colorful. The films have their share of drab and/or metallic grey robots. I'm just saying they're not all as visually drab as they're made out to be. Besides, would most people really want Transformers with alt modes like those of Jetfire and Daytrader to be bright and colorful? I wouldn't.

 

Personally, I would’ve been interested to see Daytrader in more of an Animated Wreck-Gar style, orange colors and all. Would've been nice to see an awesome part of the franchise other than G1 get referenced.

 

I like references from parts of the brand other than G1, too, although the key was also their alt modes. If Daytrader had a more brightly colored alt mode, yeah, I'd be down for that, but as is he was fine.

Although his concept art is creepy. "Trader Bot." Yikes. And I normally like faces like Hound, Drift, and Lockdown.

 

.... dude , chill
How's Takara somehow better than Hasbro? Seriously , I need to ask

 

Daytrader’s concept art sure did look like a homeless Willie Nelson that took up hoarding, didn’t it?   And if I could’ve made any and all changes, I would’ve given him a more…cohesive?…vehicle mode.

 

One season was enough thanks.

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I will perhaps watch The Bumblebee Movie at some point - if only to see if a change of director & setting makes any difference at all to the tone.

 

Perhaps part of the problem is they are still pushing the outdated idea of there are things for boys and things for girls. Going to conventions I see both male and female fans of just about everything. Even the kids I've been around there aren't any lines of oh I can only play with the characters that match my gender. My niece that is way into Paw Patrol doesn't play with just the female dogs.

Crazy idea but maybe they should just make really good toys and let the kids decide what they want to play with instead of just for boys or just for girls.

 

Then don't claim the whole show sucked if you never watching the whole thing to begin with.

 

I'm pretty sure companies are trying to do that. They're just not doing it very well. Instead of making awesome stuff (whatever it is), they seem to shove as much stuff into a franchise for whatever group they weren't going for before, and kind of pushing the group that was already there and a fan of it away from it as though they aren't the target demographic anymore.

 

Except circa 2007, that ain't how it happened.

Deluxe modern Camaro Bumblebee was actually hard to find when he first came out, because the character was wildly popular. Bumblebee's popularity absolutely came before the big push in marketing.

 

And the constant push that's been happening since ROTF is slowly killing interest.

 

Because of better quality control and the fact they weren't responsible for the protracted ass cancer that is Bayformers and the serious decline of the entire brand. The Unicron Trilogy and the 2001 RiD series were far more worthy of the Transformers name than the movieverse. The live action films may as well been nothing but two and a half hours of Michael Bay and Paramount collectively and furiously jerking off in front of the camera.
But this is the same decade that is giving us Nu-Star Wars and Thundercats Roar, since the entertainment industry is in toilet right now and people will still blindly defend this shit and make up reasons why.

 

What is the point of using terms like "furiously jerking off on camera" , "protracted ass cancer" , what kind of reaction are you trying to get out of this? I have my fair share of issues with Hasbro and don't put Takara on a pedestal , in fact remember the reissue of God Fire Convoy from RID01 that had a ton of issues with the soundbox , tabs breaking and all that fun stuff?
Takara isn't exactly perfect.
My opinion on Bayformers is simple : I love criticizing the hell out of the sequels , love the first movie and the toys/designs are a mixed bag. Hell , if it were not for Transformers (2007) I wouldn't be in this fandom , but I notice problems when I see it ; TLK being a huge flop , all three parts of the Prime Wars Trilogy having huge potential but are hopelessly badly written , RID2015 being very mediocre and the steep downturn in quality in revent years. THEN came brand unification , thus forcing Takara to sell Hasbro's relatively-decent to ungodly-bad stuff with no changes.
I have no high hopes anymore , sure theres new toys of my favorite characters , collecting the Prime Masters from POTP , loosely keeping with IDW via TFWiki but literally nothing excites me.
Cyberverse looks a lot like RID2015 ; bland , mediocre and paint-by-numbers and the Bumblebee spinoff will probably bomb.

We are not so different except for our base opinion on Bayformers

 

I'm hardly going to keep watching it if I don't like it now am I ?

Just because it's not to my tastes doesn't stop anyone else from llking it.

 

Show me a single person that isn't a petty geek that actualy says "I'm upset that Transformers uses Optimus and Bumblebee in everything".

Find someone that says the same about literally any franchise too since every single one has a major face.

 

Excuse me, I need to give Hot Rod some emotional support.

 

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

So Transformers going to be Gi Joe 2.0 only having different kind of death? I mean Gi Joe had good toys until the end, but Hasbro kept focus on lazily pandering adult collectors rather than marketing it to the new generation of kids (and no suckish live action movies aren't aimed at kids *looking at Micheal Bay' TF movies*). Where as in Transformers, they do try marketing it for children, but the shows are mediocre and the toys are cheap, as well still making lousy live-action movies.

I don't understand how come is that hipsters love good old things, yet always keep making inferior terrible stuff/reboots inspired by them. I guess those lazy people only like them in very superficial shallow way and don't have the discipline nor self awareness to try hard and reach that same level of quality.

It's not outdated and it's not the problem. The real problem is how they market and design toys for girls or boys! We used to have strong distinctive designs for toys and now everything is blend and dull as the term "gender*"-neutral itself. And as I mentioned previously, She-Ra and Golden Girl were very girly toylines and still badass! Compare and contrast Padme Amidala and Asajj Ventress to ugly tomboy MRey Sue in her toilet paper outfit. Heck, even bald Asajj Ventress more feminine than Rey. Of course, girls can play with boy toys and vice versa, but there still need to be clear distinction as girls and boys do have tendency for different play patterns and in order to have great strong designs, you need to focus on one main direction. In other words you can't have your cake and eat it.

*Gender is the BS Social Science term, the right term is sex.

 

That's not even what I said. You said "THE show sucks", not "THE ONE SEASON I WATCHED sucked, so I didn't feel like watching the rest. I don't know how the rest turned out, but whatever". It sure did sound like you were claiming the whole series sucked, despite not watching the all of it. You wouldn't know if the whole series sucked. And you're reasons for why it was bad aren't even real ("They treated them like things, not characters". That literally never happened in that show, they always treated them like characters).

The majority of people on here, for one. Yes there are users whining about one thing or another that may or may not be an actual problem, but Bumblebee has been overused by now, and they think focusing on him is a different direction? It's just amazing to see the disconnect from reality companies sometimes have.