Paramount Pictures CEO says struggling studio is 'poised for a renaissance.' Inside Jim Gianopulos'

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  1. SilverOptimus

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    Actually, a lot of countries outside US and Europe saw a massive boom when Bay movies came out. In fact, some countries only found out about the Transformers franchise thanks to the 2007 movie. Hasbro wouldn't even be here if it didn't single-handedly saved the company from going into obscurity in a digital world.
     
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    The Bayverse may have made Transformers popular, but at the cost of it's very soul. The films are nothing but soulless corporate cashgrabs that besmirch the original cartoon and comics and proof why the movie industry hasn't been good since the 80's.
     
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  3. Autobot Burnout

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    Producing isn't necessarily the same as Directing.

    While I do agree that the initial benefit of the films was nothing but prosperous for Hasbro and the franchise at large, with some truly remarkable results (the ROTF/NEST/HFTD period gave us some of the greatest figures in the past decade), that success has died down significantly but Hasbro failed to realize this and kept pushing forward without a real plan. That resulted ultimately in the disaster that is TLK which should have been the final nail in the current movie iteration had Bumblebee not been far enough to not be worth canceling - so at least things will end on a hopefully bright, if bittersweet note, of what sounds like a film that would have birthed a much more well received franchise had they gotten Knight to direct the films first and not Bay.

    The time has come for a successor to the films, the long overdue reboot to continue the cycle that's kept the franchise alive for the past 30 years. Instead, it seems all Goldner even thinks about anymore is how to turn Hasbro's dusty old brands into something to rival the MCU...when he cant even get one franchise stable on its own.

    Indeed, the movies have done their job - keep Hasbro and the franchise afloat. But Hasbro is obviously doing well enough to burn a half-billion to get the rights to a bunch of Saban properties after TLK failed to even meet revenue numbers of the first film, they have the resources to let the bay films end and develop an actual new franchise plan, with the lessons hopefully learned from the car crash that was Transformers Prime forcing the Aligned franchise to collapse before it even got off the ground.
     
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    Hasbro is poised to create a 'cinematic universe' at this point, without any form of direction or plan. They have like 3-4 perhaps more, catotonic-near death franchises, some of them with failed attempts at revitalizingthem on the back of the TFs, and yet they are expanding their hold on more. They dont want to put their own house in order yet they believe they can mimic Marvel. Marvel however learned from its own fanbase after suffering setbacks. All hasbro has been doing so far is trying to sugar coat a pill. In the end they are going to create an absolute chaos of a universe that will be throwing dead brands as already happened (I am looking at you Visionaries) at the strained back of the TFs. With no rime or reason as to their ability to co-exist. All just because it would be cool to see an inhumanoid driving Ultra Magnus.........Not. I can only imagine the levels of ridicule this fallout will produce......
     
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    Hasbro is stopping all of the things the fans haven't liked and they are rebooting them, so we can't really say that Hasbro's cinematic universe will be bad based on the old things they are ending, we should based it on how good or bad the reboots are.
     
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    I am basing it on prior experience and their own mentality of how they handle things. Nothing more nothing else. If you asked me several weeks ago and told me that a reboot is possible I would laughed my ass off (before the anouncement I mean). They were so dedicated and oblivious to the world burning around them and they believed they would be making billion dollar movies even after the Apocalypse. Now they believe that if they copy Marvel and go into a unified universe that will solve all their problems. However creating a cinematic universe in cold blood, without having turned inwards, exploring/knowing your own franchises (something that hasbro has blatantly proven time and again of not doing) or even caring about them (my major beef with those who blame Bay is that they consider him the architect of the mess that is the movie verse while in fact it was hasbros indifferenceto its one only functioning franchise) and then combining them is a recepie for dissaster that the are currently wholy unprepeared to deal with. Time will tell I guess though and I will be extremely happy to be proven wrong. I was one of the first to ask this reboot, and I did so fully knowing and dreading what MIGHT happen.
     
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    Hasbro needs to drop the idea of doing a cinematic universe PERIOD. There is literally no way in hell it will succeed, because they aren't even capable of keeping a single franchise sustainable!

    EVERY attempt to start a cinematic universe, even if it's just adverting bullshit to cover what normally used to be known simply as "sequels" (but everybody's just gotta get on the MCU bandwagon these days), after the MCU's success has ended in complete and utter failure. The DC CU is in a bad place because its answer to Avengers was maligned pretty harshly and the less said about Suicide Squad the better. The Dark Universe from Universal is already dead after two film entries. And TLK absolutely ruined any chance of a TFCU by bringing in less money than a far less advertised film in the same series over a decade previously, to the point we know that investors cheered when Hasbro all but confirmed the death of Bayformers back in mid February.

    Trying to jump immediately into this cinematic shit is a surefire means of failure. They need to concentrate on making good individual films first BEFORE ever considering that step. And these are old brands from nearly 40 years ago. What worked then in any capacity may not have the same appeal now. Just look at how record-settingly bad the Jem film turned out.
     
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    Hey wait a second! You want to tell me, that all those posts in the media about how well everything went into the meeting were nothing but half truths and when we told so back then, we were all lynched? I call sorcery!
     
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    With the news that Paramount is attempting to get the Rock to play Roadblock again it makes you wonder if the studio isn't already backtracking on rebooting. A cinematic universe is hard enough to build even if you have everything mapped out well in advance but if it's a pile of soft reboots that they are working with it just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

    The films under the new leadership are still so far off that it's hard to know if they can crack the code to make popular films.
     
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    Yeah ThatHashTag show reported on an old script, because the Rock has said he's to busy and won't free for a new G.I. Joe until 2021, as well as Hasbro and Paramount saying that the next G.I. Joe is a full reboot for the last few months now.
     
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    The irony, it burns! Literally the same exact thing can be said for G1. In fact, critical consensus of TF07 is considerably higher than TF:TM. The movie industry didn't get worse. Your rose-tinted glasses just got thicker.
     
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    The only successful cinematic universe I've seen other than the MCU is The Conjuring universe. Each film in that series has some of the best budget:gross ratio. TF films, by nature, require huge budgets; if they're wanting to make a universe it better be really good.
     
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    Lol ''soul''.

    It was a half decent cartoon in the 80s and acted as one giant toy ad for Hasbro. Talk about hyperbole.
     
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    At this point, "hyperbole" has lost it's meaning, it's become a buzzword for Bay cucks to throw at the detactors for laying truth bombs about why the films are unwatchable garbage.
     
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    Good one, but go ahead and keep posting those quippy video responses and that constructive criticism that you've graced us with... oh wait.

    The word troll certainly hasn't lost it's meaning.
     
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    All for one franchise....

    That is pretty pitiful.....

    In that case, Fox should die because of what they did with Fantastic Four. WB for all the DC properties. Disney for Star Wars and remaking animated classics.

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    "Calm down, calm down."

    I'm inclined to say that even Francis Ford Coppolla can make a movie that isn't that great.

    I remember not feeling anything after seeing his Dracula movie.

    Yes, I'm also going to say Stanley Kubrick has movies that I did not like such as Lolita.

    Projecting this thought bugles my mind.

    Ignoring the idea that maybe further down the line there were very much plenty of gems and trash that have happened after the 80s.

    It's going to be a long list of things.
     
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    The Cult of Bay, ladies and gentlemen. They wouldn't know a good action movie if one came up and smacked them in the face. Christ, even Dragonball Evolution was a work of art compared to Bayformers, at least it was hilariously bad and it was more faithful to it's source material.
     
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    I don't care. Paramount ruined Transformers, just like they ruined GI Joe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Star Trek. They deserve to go bankrupt for how evil and creatively bankrupt they are.
     
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    Is this the best you can come up with? :lol 

    I'm not a part of any cult, thanks for presuming though.
     
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    At least Fox is both hit and miss. Yea it's the studio that somehow thought the Thing with no pants was a brilliant idea for a Fantastic Four so dark and gloomy Batman had to call and say lighten up a bit guys. Sure it's the studio behind the worst X-Men movies you could possibly make. But Fox is also the studio that came out with some really damn good X-Men film and it's a fan boy favorite these days for the costume, the wit, and level of fan love that went into Deadpool.

    Paramount though, outside of some mid to low budget gems that people weren't really expecting has been a studio that you could burn down and say nothing of no real artistic value was lost. GI Joe movies so bad even GI Joe fans were maybe it's best if the brand just died. Going out into space is cool in Hollywood again but even with the big anniversary of Star Trek it had people going no thanks I'll get my space adventure fix somewhere else. The studio so window licking stupid that someone thought Megan Fox was a fit to play April O'Neil. It seems like everything the Rock touches can draw a crowd except when he makes a movie for Paramount. Domestically we watched Transformers films after Revenge of the Fallen take a box office tumble because more of the same and soft reboots weren't putting butts back in theater seats.

    Looking at what studios are dominating the box office and where Paramount is at it is a pretty big climb out of the hole if they want to do more than just cross their fingers that once in a while something like A Quite Place will come along to make up a bit for them being the same studio that made Cloverfield Paradox which was so bad they had to sell it to Netflix or the studio that said hey let's make Sherlock Gnomes. Out of the major studios Paramount is the studio that has been wearing the loser crown more than any other studio.
     
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