Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

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  1. Pharoid

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    Done.
     
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    Not really, it begins with his uncle buying droids.
     
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    Fight back against what exactly? People can't like a movie and provide criticism without it being called bitching?? Please don't turn this into a TF movie thread.
     
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    I realize it’s wrong to generalize and say everyone is making your head hurt but... man, this thread has been making my head hurt lately.

    I did really love that poetry. Luke’s story begins with a hologram from Leia for help. And his story ends with a hologram helping Leia. Heartbreaking, but sad.
     
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    That's not really how it starts though. And his story doesn't end until the confrontation with Kylo Ren. So no, it's not poetic.
     
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    Luke wasn’t a hologram....
    And his story ended with dying from force exhaustion...
     
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    If it makes you happy, I’ll amend it to this: Luke’s journey begins with a projection of Leia asking for help. It ends with a projection of Luke helping Leia. There. Poetic. Good. Done.

    Hologram, projection, more or less the same thing as far as I really care here. His last act was going to help Leia.
     
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    That still doesn't really work. His journey didn't start until he went after R2-D2. He had pretty much disregarded the projection. He doesn't specifically help Leia in the end, he helps the resistance. I still don't think you can call that the end of his journey anyway, it ends when he vanishes into nothingness.
     
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    This is part of a now heavily edited discussion but re-litigating it now is not in anyone’s interest.
     
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    Yeah Leia’s message to Obi-Wan is both the figurative and literal call to the hero’s journey for Luke. I think they could do a nice send off for Leia and have her do a final hologram message to the galaxy calling the next generation to the journey. I guess this could suffice for ending her story. Have Leia carry Luke’s story to the galaxy. Might work.
     
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    His journey began when he agreed to go help Leia.

    That would... oh man. I would love that. Really. Maybe piece together unused Carrie audio from the ST films, and like I said maybe bring in Meryl to help. If it’s this, I would genuinely be fully on board with some CGI Leia since as a hologram it’s not going to look perfect anyway (that was actually a back up plan for Rogue One in case Tarkin’s likeness didn’t work out, have him only appear via hologram).
     
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    So you're taking everything literally. That's great :rolleyes: 
     
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    Yeah initially I didn’t like the hologram idea but I am really warming up to it. Entirely because it ties back to ANH.
     
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    No, it started when he went after R2-D2. He didn't agree to help Leia, he chose to go with Obi Wan.

    If you mean what the movie show, then yes. The "poetry" doesn't work if you arbitrarily decide where you start and stop.
     
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    Well let's recount what the movie showed then shall we? When Uncle Ben bought the droids from the jawas, he was cleaning R2 when he accidentally stumbled upon Leia's holographic recording meant for Ben Kenobi. During that same night, R2 goes to find Obi-wan. Luke goes after him to find him the next morning. You cannot count that as the beginning of his "journey" towards anything as he didn't even really know what R2 had inside him. All Luke was doing was go searching for a runaway droid. That's it. That's all it was. If that's what you're referring to, then you are reading way too much into that scene.

    After being attacked by the Sandpeople, Obi-wan shows up. It was after Obi-wan brought him back to his home and they start talking, and when Obi-wan had R2 play the message in full was when Obi-wan encouraged Luke to join him in learning the ways of the force. That point right there, as Obi-wan planted the seed of Luke becoming a Jedi...right there! Even though Luke declined at first because of his Uncle was the beginning, he was told about the Force, about Darth Vader, was handed the light saber. It wasn't until he found his uncle and aunt killed, that he decided to go with Obi-wan because he felt he had nothing left on Tattooine. And don't even try to BS it by then saying his aunt and uncle being killed was the start. Because imagine if he never had the droids. He never met Obi-wan. There wouldn't have been any decision to go do anything. Who knows what would have happened to Luke if the droids didn't crash land on Tattoine. And even then considering if you only left out the meeting of him and Obi-wan, Luke was clueless to all that was told to him by Obi-wan.

    So no, you're wrong.
     
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    I wasn’t kidding when I gave you this before. If you’re a SW fan you should take a moment out of your life to watch Lucas talk about the Hero’s Journey. They are taking about actual plot devices in the story, it’s not just a sequence of events.

    The Mythology of 'Star Wars' with George Lucas | Shows | BillMoyers.com
     
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    Yes, and that's what starts the journey. He never would have met Obi Wan if he didn't go searching for the droid. It certainly wasn't the clip of the hologram that R2 played in the garage, he was going to disregard it.
     
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    No that isn't. Imagine if he hadn't met Obi-wan then. What would we have? Nothing. He would have brought R2 back and scrubbed his memory like his uncle told him to. Or he could have died at the hands of the Sandpeople. Him going after a runaway droid is not a defining moment in a journey. Ben could have just brought him back home to his aunt and uncle as all Ben was supposed to do was watch over him. Luke seeing the entirety of the holographic message which later led to him seeing the tragic death of his aunt & uncle's death and the desire to strike back at the empire was.
     
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    By your own definition, the hologram is the start of Luke's journey. A hero's journey starts when they have chance to refuse the call, which by your own admission is what he does with the hologram.
     
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    Yes, that's the point. That's why him looking for the droids starts the journey.

    No, he refuses the call when Obi Wan says he needs to learn the ways of the force if he is to go to Alderaan. The holo is not for him, it's for Obi Wan, there is nothing for him to refuse.