... in some circles, we call those henchmen. But don't worry. There's plenty of blame to go around.

 

Bryce has outlived his usefulness.

 

I bet most here will be cheering if Lorenzo also leaves

 

I like the movies too, but man, you've really romanticized them into something they're not. You could maybe say that about the first Transformers, but from Revenge Of The Fallen onwards... nope. A million times nope. Transformers movies present IDEAS and CONCEPTS for the story that would be cool if they actually bothered to flesh them out. Instead we get two seconds of slobbering Berserker and a mish mash of plots that don't connect between movies or even between the same movie those plot points are presented in.

Don't get me wrong, the first movie is what really cemented me as a TF fan (I didn't care about them after TF Energon ended) and I enjoyed everything up until TLK, which was a mess that tried to throw out AoE while still continue on from it.

Marvel Movies, yes they can be repetitive, but they're always about the characters and their journeys, not just mindless action and CG spectacles for the sake of having that. There's a better story in Thor: The Dark World than there ever will be in a Transformer movie, and The Dark World is widely considered to be the worst of the MCU's offerings. The MCU also makes a really strong effort to connect everything together. We don't see characters disappearing from one movie to the next without any explanation like we have in Transformers, for starters.

 

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

All this means is that the key people involved, who ran things so far, are moving into different directions after ten years. Sounds like normal stuff to me. Doesn't mean anything beyond that.

 

Yes, TF humor has been juvenile before. But please show me now where any of those other TF shows had leg humping, peeing on people, racial stereotype "humor" or anything remotely as bad as the Bayverse. If you think that is "adult, mature, or deep" please go throw back another few bud lights, kill the last few brain cells squabbling around in your head, and watch a few more hours of cars turning left on Nascar in the hopes of one last Mikey Bay-esque explosion.

And everyone is tired of superhero movies? Of bright colors and *actual* humor? I guess that's why Disney bought Marvel for mega bucks recently, Black Panther is currently crushing it right now, and Avengers Infinity War is set to break 2 billion by all estimates in a couple months. Riiiiiiiiight. >_>

Gtf outta here w that shiz man, you're clearly either delusional, going through life with blinders on, a butthurt Bayfan too dumb or proud to see or admit the truth, or all of the above. Peace out sourkraut

 

Is this reboot lier?

 

enter transformers next savior, cruise/wagner productions....tom cruise has a large enough ego to try to make a transformers movie.

 

I believe Travis Knight, the director of the Bumblebee movie, owns his own studio, right?

 

Classy.

Wait, hold on. I think I accidentally left a C, l, and y up there.

 

I think the people that are delusional are the (unfortunately numerous) fans that think there's this great, insurmountable gulf in quality between the different Transformers continuities, or that think their preferred Transformers movies are on this great pedestal of quality next to the ones they think are so much "worse." I'm not saying one can't have preferences, or that certain parts of the brand don't do specific things better than others. I admit I think some cartoons or seasons of individual cartoons do a better job with story or character than others, and that some of the movies are better executed in terms of story and characters than others, but in grand scheme of things there's not this huge difference. Every Transformers film, episode, or comic issue ever is over-the-top fiction with absurd premises and ridiculous moments made to sell toys. Anyone who doesn't realize this is almost certainly living in a rose-tinted state of denial.

And there's no racial humor or stereotypes in Transformers outside of the Bayverse? Carbombya, anyone?

And regardless of what one thinks about the hot models and inappropriate humor, that stuff does appeal to teenage boys.

Hey, I'm not complaining about anything in the brand, really. I love the brand.

The Bay films may not have been perfect, but they're perfectly at home within the Transformers brand.

The first movie is not any "deeper" than Revenge of the Fallen or any of the sequels. Nor is it superior than its sequels for the most part; many of its sequels are actually as good or better executed in some or most aspects. It's the most loved, but that's more due to nostalgia than the execution of the movie itself. In some categories it's easily the weakest of all five films. The dialogue, story, pacing, action, and characters are not superior for the most part, if at all.

Okay, so it didn't have as many geographical errors as Revenge of the Fallen, and it didn't have as many continuity contradictions as The Last Knight, which I would agree contradicted too much established stuff, but in most other categories it's not superior whatsoever.

I'm not saying one can't have a preference. I prefer some of the movies over others, but it's not on a different level of quality entirely.

 

Oh yeah, no I absolutely agree that the sequels are better and execute some story points far, far better than the first Transformers movie, and I know they're not any deeper in story than each other. Personally my favorites are RotF and DotM, and I think DotM is really the best movie we've ever gotten out of these.

I think AoE presented a lot of good concepts that could have turned into better stories if they handled it better, or even split it into two movies. AoE would have solely involved the aftermath of Chicago and KSI rising to power building their own Transformers and Galvatron's return. Then that is what draws Lockdown to the planet, because species mixing with species ended up with another species being able to BUILD their own version of what the Creators made, and that would lead into TF6 with the original techno-organic creators, not Quintessa. But that's not what we got, because... reasons, I guess.

The first one definitely isn't on a higher plane of quality, and it is mostly nostalgia for most people, but there were definitely parts that went downhill after the first one, and other parts that absolutely improved across the sequels as well.

 

Who?

Aren't there dozens of "producers," so this one is special from the pack how... 

 

Tides are changing, may not be a bad thing for the Transformers line, but you never know.

 

A very well thought out response, I might say. I'm of the opinion that Lockdown was drawn to Earth because of Cybertron entering Earth's atmosphere and apparent destruction. That attracted the Creators' attention, and Lockdown was sent to Earth as a result. The destruction of a Transformer home planet due to the mixing of species (humans and Cybertronians) was one instance of "upsetting the cosmic balance." I actually rather like Age of Extinction the best of the five films, although Dark of the Moon would be my next one.

I'd actually argue each of the films captures its own set of core aspects of the brand more than the others, for better or for worse, although in most instances I enjoyed how those films incorporated such aspects.