Unpopular Opinion: Megatron's 2007 was his best incarnation

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  1. Seth Sunthay

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    Well, before everybody starts to lynching me, this it's just my personal preference.
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    I know most of the people hate the movie designs for megatron, AND specifically this one.

    But, It's the hate justified?, well, in some perspectives it could be, but not at all, but you definitely can dislike it, and that's not a problem neither a bad thing.

    Here's a quote from a defunct fandom page i did some years ago that could explain why most of "us" started to feeling that sebtiment of "avoid" to this design:

    But to the point, the reasons why i think this version of the megatron in the WHOLE movie saga (including TLK), was not just his best appearence, but look are not related to preference or taste at all.


    1.-Fits perfectly to the others and resalts higher than them.

    When you look at Starscream, blackout, bonecrusher and barricade, etc, well, any other decepticon from the first film, started with this mechanic and metal-ish made by a thousands of pieces in another style, they anatomy was worth to call them aliens perfectly, Megatron was the most "robust" and "menacing" of them, in fact, Megatron has the most human-ish proportions of the decepticons in this movie, and that's why he resalted so much, he had normal human mass with muscles, but why he fist with them if the other ones have vastly different anatomy or proportion wise?, because of the aesthetic, Megatron also had a ton of parts just as them.

    2.-It's pretty much the highlight and major problem of the film

    Don't get confused with "problem" as a bad thing, by problem i mean the real problem for the protagisonists of the film, even if he was killed by a deus ex maquina. He was THE enemy, the final boss, the real fear, etc, he was powerful and used his abilities to again, resalt to the rest.

    Try to compare this megatron to any other one in the next movies, and he's...just not the same.

    (I mean, they even had the idea for megatron to eat Sparks from the robots to gain energy, this stayed in the DS game of the 2007 movie - an even superior megatron to the films, but that's a thing for another topic)


    3.-He doesn't fails to be menacing with his "might".

    In most of the scenes we've seen through the movie related to him, it's him being the centred point of the plot, the scenes where he uses his mace (a reference ti his G1 counterpart), or his two arms-cannon, he fights to death with Optimus trying to destroy him for the all-spark (in that time, his goal), and gurss what?, he obtained it, but died.

    That's just an ironic story, you will be desytroyed by your major wish.

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    I hope this explains a bit about my sentiments.


    Also, a great problem were his toys trying to represent him, wich were deficent.
     
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  2. SPLIT LIP

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    I agree. TLK may be my favourite design-wise, but in TF1 he actually served a meaningful purpose in the film's narrative. And when he showed up, the stakes were raised immediately.

    Every other film he's become more and more incidental and not terribly necessary.
     
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  3. Jochimus

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    He wasn't somebody else's b***h back in '07, so yeah, he did have that going for him.
     
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  4. NemesisPrime12

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    TF1's characteristics + TLK's design + Frank Welker = perfect megatron
     
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  5. Ash from Carolina

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    Not a fan of the movie designs so like or don't like a character isn't based on their design.

    First movie Megatron is the one that works best for me as a character. He's dead even with Prime when it comes to a fight so it doesn't feel like he's taken out as an afterthought but rather Prime and Megatron are so even that Sam has to be the deciding factor. Megatron gets to be the main villain instead of having to play second fiddle to another character. Megatron is given a good excuse for not liking humans. They only had to unfreeze Megatron instead of playing a Megatron back from the dead card the other robots don't get.
     
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    The only reason people dislike this Megatron is because of this design, otherwise, this is best version of Movie Megatron to date.
     
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    He was unstoppable and unleashed, a titan on a rampage.

    I prefer his ROTF design and Welker's TFP voice, but overall he was a definite badass in the 2007 film.
     
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    This was the first Megatron I was exposed to, so I do have a special attachment to this design. I like the DOTM design the most, mostly due to the whole thing about being an anti-Optimus, which is super cool. Also his face is bashed in, which looks menacing. But the 2007 design is still really fierce and the cleanest of the trilogy Megatron designs by far.
     
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    ROFT seems to have become the ‘classic’ movie Megatron look, but I agree that TF1 Megatron as far as his role and credibility as a threat goes (he briefly gets this back in AOE as Galvatron, finally being the one who pulls the strings, but it’s not quite on par).
     
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    Great post! Your opinion is very reasonable and it doesn't matter, whether it unpopular or not. I don't like, but mostly respect Megatron everywhere in the Movies, as strong and unpredictable, clever enemy. Of course he was the most powerful in TF1, but Autobots also were the most weak, because they didn't get so strong belief in humans and the Earth and the aliance with humans was not so confident as in ROTF and DOTM, don't forget it!
     
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    It's not unpopular. TLK Megatron might be the best design, but TF2007 is the best characterisation.
     
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  12. Galvatross

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    This is an unpopular opinion? Especially given almost everyone agrees (but more on that a little later)?

    I'm pretty sure the opposite is the case. An unpopular opinion would be that 2007 Megatron was the worst Megatron, or that Revenge of the Fallen or The Last Knight were the best Transformers movies to date, or that the more recent movies are better than the earlier films, or that the KSI transformations were awesome. Nothing about the original post is unpopular in fandom circles.

    As for me, I don't have them ranked, and perhaps this is because I don't look at things through nostalgia, but 2007 Megatron is perhaps, although not definitely, my least favorite Bayverse Megatron. Don't get me wrong, he is really cool, but he's not what I prefer in a Megatron. He does have my least favorite Megatron design, although that isn't why.

    The thing about Megatron is that he shouldn't just be this powerful, snarling brute who's good in battle and wants to destroy humans and Autobots. He's also cunning, he's deceptive, and he's manipulative to the point where he's the master of his own destiny and not a victim of fate. He should act as a leader, and leaders actually interact with their troops. He should also be an equal to Prime and not be vastly superior or inferior to his Autobot rival.

    2007 Megatron is more of a victim of fate than the master of his own destiny. He crashed into the Arctic because his telemetry got screwed up by Earth's magnetic field. He was kept frozen in Hoover Dam by humans for decades. He didn't break out by his own willpower; Starscream had to knock out the power. He ends up dying because a teenager puts a Cube in his chest.

    He doesn't have that banter with Starscream he had in RotF or DotM. His character isn't as interesting as in DotM, where he declines in power and realizes it due to Sentinel and Carly. That he made a deal with Sentinel, the leader of the Autobots who was lucked up to by many, shows his cunning.

    Moving forward, he doesn't really play a larger role in the plot than Galvatron, whose role in the fourth movie is huge, and who is much more manipulative than first trilogy Megatron. He comes from a position of weakness and uses it to his advantage to inform humans how to make Transformers that he can take over. I always chuckle when I see fans complain the fourth movie had no Decepticons, because AoE Galvatron is literally the definition of Decepticon. He feigns being a lifeless, mindless drone to get what he wants.

    He lacks a Spark that can be extinguished. He can go toe-to-toe with Optimus; their battle is incredibly even. And if Sam tried killing Galvatron with the Allspark like in 2007 it wouldn't work because he has no soul! Even Lockdown is seemingly unaware that by capturing Prime he was doing what Galvatron wanted. If I were to pick a single favorite Megatron, it would be Galvy: A manipulative, deceptive robot who is subservient to nobody, an even match for Prime, doesn't die, is voiced by Welker, and even lacks a Spark that can be destroyed and can transform by disintegrating into cubes. It's a shame he didn't carry that ability into TLK.

    Plus, 2007 lacks Welker's voice. I greatly prefer Welker to Weaving. He brings more emotion and nuance, he knows the character, and he isn't too good for the role unlike Weaving.

    Yeah, one can argue that his "death" in DotM is too quick. Yes, I can understand not wanting him being subservient to The Fallen or Quintessa. Yes, I think the Galvatron-Megatron transition absolutely should have been explained, and he absolutely should have played a larger role in The Last Knight's plot (but then again so should several other characters). TLK Megatron was also able to tackle many Autobots at once and many human tanks, which is pretty cool. He also has the best design, which is one reason I would have loved to see more of him.

    I'm not saying anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. I'm just saying that others, myself included, might see things very differently and prefer Megatron in one or more of the other films. There is more than one way to look at these things. There's always more than one way.
     
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    No doubt! The shit really hit the fan when he thawed out!

    Unfortunately that's never really been repeated.
     
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  14. Gordon_4

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    The issue was that Optimus came across as fairly weak compared to Megatron in TF07. Its an assessment I agree with, then and now.

    However instead of just making Optimus Prime stronger, they also seemed to weaken Megatron and reduce his agency as a character.
     
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    Only time megs was a serious threat. The first movie actually did a great job of making all tge cons a serious threat and kept it high. Thinking about it, probably makes mission city the best end fight of all films. Even if it doesn't have the best camera work.
     
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  16. Dotmshockwave

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    Nope. Tf07 Megatron was definitely the best. No need for a long post about why. It’s just honestly. A strong opinion which is ALMOST a fact. Some people may differ but. Honestly, this was the most bad ass Megatron we have gotten, by far. No debating required.
     
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  17. jbvirus

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    I really enjoyed his 2007 design a lot. The fact that he turned into this awesome flying jet was so cool to me back then, I just thought it was the best thing ever for Megatron to turn into. I would love it if we were to get a Masterpiece figure based on that design.
     
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  18. Russian fan

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    Hmm, I didn't noticed that. He shooted into Hound, and I seriously was worry about our fat balerina, but - no, Hound even didn't get any scars:D  Megatron also wasn't able to do anything against Grimlock attacking him, it looks like he just was confused:lol  I also don't think, that Megatron's design in TLK is the best. It is good, yeah, but I don't think, that it is suitable for him. First of all, it is a bit too knighty with gothic motives, large armor scirt, shields on elbows, etc. Secondly, it is too mmm bright for Megatron I always thought, that he doesn't think much about his looking as a tough military guy. Functionality for him is more essencial. Remember DOTM - he looked very bad and wasn't embarrased with it. He also must look more scary, than gorgeous, because his soldiers don't respect him - they fear him! And it is logic - bad guys, who used to be selfish and treachreous, shouldn't respect anyone - they rather shoud dream to be on commander's place, so he himself should demonstrate his power to hold everyone, where they are. I think, ROTF Megatron is the best in such terms - he is the most savage. That's why I so hate him in ROTF... It doesn't borther me, that he is servant of the Fallen, because it shows actual motivation of Megatron, hints about his origin and makes him some sort of the First Prime's descendant too. I was amazed to see Megatron, actually being knocked out by the Fallen's death - this shows him as dedicative and respectful for his master.
     
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    I actually love the 2007 design, wasn't a fan of the ridiculously bulky ROTF look for him. TLK does have the best overall look however.

    In terms of characterization, 2007 got it right. He was a legitimate threat and the Autobots literally ran away from him as soon as he showed up, further bolstered by how effortlessly he killed Jazz.
     
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    "It's Megatron! Retreat! Fall back!"
    Oh how I miss the terrified Autobots..
     
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