Its a bit like star wars. The authors get to tell a story but are forced into who they are able to kill off or who they can't. They dontvhave complete creative control. Because its not their property. They get to play in the sandbox but they don't get to bring it home with them.

 

Just be glad you didn't read over 20 years worth of star wars books to then have it all rebooted when Disney took over.

 

Interesting interview. I like that we got a peek behind the curtain.

As far as the Visionaries comic is concerned: I liked the designs; Everyone looked otherworldly and unique - that's all good stuff. That aside, the book was pretty bland. I also don't like that Kup's death was a mandate to get people to talk about an otherwise pretty boring and barely interesting book.

 

I have plenty of friends who went through that. It’s exactly the kind of pain I want to avoid. Please don’t Star Wars us IDW.

 

More advertisement for a product.

Good from the IDW point of view.

The product is still bad.

Waste of money to read it... That's my point of view.

I don't read any IDW TF books as of late... So they can reboot for all what I care. ID TFs are heading to nowhere anyway.

 

I did it. Read over 100 books. Haven't gotten over it fully yet  

 

Jesus Christ, IT'S A FUNNY BOOK. I mean, all they did was kill an old robot who'd been around for ten years at this point, change some hair styles and made some white guy nobody cared about black, so it's ESS JAY DUBYAH propaganda? This is probably why comics are a dying medium.

 

First they came for Kup, but I said nothing, because I wasn't an old robot...

 

Oh, gotcha, thanks!

 

to be fair to the original author, there is a huuuuuuuuge difference between pitching a Visionaries concept and then being told to kill off a Transformer character in a crossover idea that wasn't your original goal in the first place.

As well, I'm not sure that killing Kup in TF vs Visionaries is in any way a literary hill to die on for artistic purity. For many people, it's a job (and in some cases, if I recall from James Robert's tweets from a while back, a *second* job).

For the record I'm not defending Kup's death, as I thought it was stupid...particularly in light of the other IDW TF comics being released at the same time.

 

I like that she is resurecting Visionaries since it was another cult favorite of the 80\'s fans.
 

 

Am I an SJDoubleU if I like comics with a left leaning, like most Marvel and DC books, but I just read them for fun? USAvengers was great, man.

 

this thread is like watching beast machines! on the left side you have the organics and the right purely technological.

cant we all just be techno-organic!

all joking aside I am not a fan of this new take on the visionairies but I'm more worried about future incarnations look at the influence bayformers had over transformers! or everybody wanting to know why green lantern in the ryan reynolds movie wasn't black not understanding the difference between john and Hal due to the jlu cartoon

 

Ok guys. Please get back to the topic of the comic or the interview. Thread cleaned a bit. Thanks.

 

No. The problem with a lot of the political messages in comics isn't even the messages, but how ham fisted and poorly done they are. A lot of the older Marvel comics had similar messages, but weren't so over the top and wouldn't derail characters or plots for the sake of the message. They have forgotten how to make stories applicable instead of allegorical.

 

Can't rate this highly enough, Visaggio has been paying for a self-acknowledged mistake ever since. So much so that ding-dongs be reading into a comic book about wizards and robots as tho she is fuckn marx or something. to wit...

we've seen one issue so far whose political undertones seem to be limited to...virulina having a leadership position? I await any salient critique here, but until such time, the naysayers are just pushing shit uphill on this?

The interview itself was a bit tepid, and i would like to have seen some questions about say Breakdown's characterisation, although i have a secret theory he will be our saviour, neither robot nor wizard, but robo-wizard.

 

Everyone's acting all shocked, but when they said to Mairghread Scott, "Mairghread, we're gonna need you to turn your book into Windblade vs. the Wizards of Genocide, and also, you have to kill Kup", she didn't say, "Sir yes sir right away sir!", she said, "excuse me, but that's stupid, and evil, and I refuse, because I have a little thing called artistic integrity!". And that's why TAAO was cancelled.

 

This is it exactly. Kup's death is the story and it's being used as a way to promote this book. This book - ON ITS OWN - isn't good. The comic needed that BIG push to make anyone take note of it.

They could have easily replaced Kup with a genericon and no one would be talking about this book. This thread wouldn't be 4 pages long. No one would care about the person writing it.

This isn't a matter of one ideological preference fighting another. This is about a poorly executed comic book needing a 'SHOCKING DEATH' to get anyone to talk about it.

I'm with you, Haywired, IDW isn't worth reading anymore. They're producing bad books. It's that simple.

On a side note: I hate that we've now gotten to a point that we accuse someone of an ideological preference if they like/dislike something we do like/dislike.

I hated Scott's work at first, and I was called a sexist because of it. I grew to really enjoy her run of TAAO. I never judged her performance based on her genitals. I based her performance on the quality of the book. The windblade minis still suck. TAAO was a refreshing breath of fresh air in an otherwise stinky dumpster fire that is the current shenanigans that's going on over at IDW at the moment.

I long for the days that we attacked someone's bad ideas instead of them as a person just because they don't agree with us.

 

And if Mags had refused and told them to do one and find someone else you'd be saying the exact same thing about whoever was writing Transformers vs. Visionaries because Kup would've been killed off regardless. Licensed comics, waddaya gonna do?

 

TBH, can't say if I could blame the writer or the artist for the book because they're simply doing their job. They'll get paid and they'll move to other projects.

Kup's death is kinda hilarious after he was killed in Infestation. The ole warhorse is becoming a go-to TF redshirt to be offed in shared events...

I wonder in what way IDW is going to resurrect him. After all, they might need him for another event!


Still, if they offed Ironhide instead... At the very least he'd be properly dressed for the redshirt role.