Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

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  1. Pharoid

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    Exactly. It’s always been this way.
     
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    ArmadaJetfire Yamato is go! ;D

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    Like I said he had people to correct the mistakes he had in the first draft and the directing. He corrected it and a legend was born.
     
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    "Join me. Please."

    The three words Ben/Kylo said to Rey as he asks her to join him. It says a ton about the characterization of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren, and Adam Driver's performance when saying it only seals the deal. It captures the character's ongoing turmoil, of his hatred towards his heritage, but we can feel that he is still unsure of what he just did, and he truly wants Rey to join because she's the only one that might understand, it captures that he is actually afraid of doing this alone. That single line also removes Kylo Ren from the "you are beneath me" attitude that we get either from Vader telling Luke to join him or Palpatine persuading Anakin to join the dark side. He's not only looking to become the most powerful being in the galaxy, he's looking to find an equal to help him. It makes Kylo's struggle and motivation feel real. He took the bet that Rey would want to join him when he killed Snoke. From those three words I can feel that he's still the same young inexperienced force user who is disappointed of his supposed master and uncle.

    "Please don't don't go this way."

    As Kylo is asking possibly the one person who understands him, there is Rey begging Ben to turn. Think about where she is at that moment. Rey is finally coming to terms that despite all the people she tried to find a semblance of family in, she must admit that her true parents are gone forever. No parents. No Luke Skywalker. No Han Solo. She is alone in the galaxy save for the one person in front of her, and she knows to join Kylo on that path is wrong. Despite a chance to have a sense of belonging in the universe, she had to refuse, and still tries to bring him back to the light. In Rey's 19 years in the galaxy, she believes that no one is beyond redemption, not even the monster she saw kill his own father. Her innocence and naivete goes a long way.

    These lines make the last "Force bridge" scene between then near the end of the movie that much sadder. With the way Ben looks up at Rey just for her to close the Millenium Falcon ramp, Rey is presumably ending any chance of her joining Kylo Ren in his struggle. Biggest thing to note was the fact that despite Snoke being the one to bridge their minds, they still have that connection between each other with him dead. I really hope JJ takes this unsure relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren to interesting places in the next installment.
     
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    People CAN survive in outer space. It's certainly not a good idea or anything, but if you shut your eyes and DON'T hold your breath, you've got about 15 seconds of consciousness and if you are somehow rescued you'd probably survive. A pure vacuum is a bad heat conductor.

    Can you survive in space without a spacesuit?
     
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    Rey is
    no one
    so she can take the Skywalker name. Like Anakin.
    I think there is some level sexual tension between these two. Would be interesting if they had a kid.
     
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    True, she could adopt the name, but the only true Skywalker is Ben Solo.
    Anakin never adopted the name. That's his birth name. His mom is Shimi Skywalker.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The NASA sources in the article I linked say otherwise. 15 secs of consciousness, longer to die.

    Here's another article that agrees: 15 secs of consciousness, 90 seconds to die, 12 hours to freeze.

    Here's how long humans could survive in space without a spacesuit

    People need to move on from this part. It is not disqualifying. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson checked with real astronauts.
     
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    Yeah, it is what it is. I really like the scene for the misdirection. You see Leia's face as she prepares for the impact thinking she is making peace with life but when the film cuts back to what just happened to her, she has the same facial expression and...you know the rest.
     
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    I know but she has no name And I think she is another
    virgin birth / force creation
    to balance the rising power of Snoke and Ben since Luke was closed from the force. Snoke basically says it. The light would rise to meet the darkness.

    and Poe and Finn are definitely shipped.
     
  10. Starscream Gaga

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    Even if (and I mean IF) we give that a pass, he was still using telekinesis out of nowhere by the second movie, which is something he had never personally seen be done and achieved without any training.
     
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    NASA have anything on Space Slugs? Like how long can you survive inside a Space Slug? You know assuming you have the mouthpiece from a respirator and the Mynocks don't eat your power cables?
     
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    Didn't the establish in the comic that you can survive in space for a short (like 20 seconds) when Vader threw Dr Alphwhatshername out the airlock and Triple 0 and BT-1 rescued her since she played Vader.
     
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    Yeah, I noticed this right away in the theater. It would've worked if there were two doors and a short hallway/chamber leading into the bridge for recompression. Seeemed like an oversight on the part of the set designers/writers, especially if ship bridges are prime targets for attack (and they are).
     
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    One thing I didn't get is Kylo wanted Rey to say her parents are "nobody". It just seems The Director is trolling the fandom there. Why would she ever say they are "nobody"? She would say they are "farmers" or "traders", but it would be pretty conceited on her part to put any kind of importance on the social status of her parents. Only us fans would ponder that kind of importance. It almost seemed like some bad 4th wall break, to talk to the people watching the movie?

    I really hope either Snoke comes back or a new villain is introduced. We need a big bad that we can love to fear, similar to Vader. Kylo and Hux are just sniveling bratty kids, I don't think I can take that for a whole movie with out some more insidious villain along with them.

    You can sense the sexual tension between Rey and Kylo, but ultimately I hope they do reveal she is a Solo or Skywalker. We spent all of TFA seeing her yearning for her family. I would hope she finds it in the real sense (blood relatives). It seems Finn is going to wind up with Rose (a love triangle with Rey would be awful to imagine), and ending up with Kylo is doubtful ... It would be sad for Rey to have no love interest by the end of this trilogy, so why not at least give her a lineage?

    I guess I would have rather seen Rey wind up with Finn, give her a bloodline, and Snoke still alive. I do like how Luke's story played out though, but it would have been nice to see him kick some butt on a First Order space ship ala Old Obiwan ....

    I'm confident JJ can finish the trilogy strong, which may change peoples perception of TLJ in a more positive light.
     
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    have you guys not notice how hangar bays in SW just open to the void of space?

    i know theyre explained by shield generators n what not but SW movies just arent the best franchise to discuss the technical aspects of science.
     
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    I didn't see a shield generator (just a neon/LED light) around the door frame leading into the bridge but I suppose that would do the trick too.

    Speaking of SW tech, I did notice that the new movies more or less did away with bacta tanks in favor of the bacta-filled med suit that Finn wore at the start of the movie. Ditto when Leia was hospitalized.

    I was sorta hoping they would show or hint at some cybernetics for Finn's spinal column after he took Kylo's lightsaber to the back in TFA. That kind of injury really didn't seem like something only a few hours in a bacta-filled suit would fix much less for Finn to make a full recovery from in a day?
     
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    The injury was to his shoulder not his spine. Very fortunate.

    By the way, did anyone even tell Finn that the girl who save his life went to become a Jedi or was the ending when he discovered that fact?
     
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    Shoulder, eh? It really looked much deeper and more serious to me than just the shoulder but I guess that would explain his quick recovery (though a shoulder injury would still hurt like hell, not sure that Finn would've passed out from it; ah well, Rey needed her big heroic moment).

    I'd assume Leia told Finn what happened to Rey, since apparently Poe had never formally introduced himself to her until near the end of TLJ.
     
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    That just reminds me of how awful a change of direction this film is compared to the last. We're literally talking about TLJ picking up right where TFA ends, and the resistance goes from having a major victory against the FO, (that should have put them on the ropes) to being on the verge of annihilation within the span of a couple days.

    The portrayal of influence and power for both sides makes no sense when comparing the two movies.
     
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    Ok crazy fan theory time. Could some or all of the scenes featuring Obi-one-kenobi in A new hope have been a projected force ghost? This would explain his strange death.

    The only thing directly contradicting it is how Vader’s lightsaber clashed physically with Obi ones lightsaber but perhaps he was levitating his clothing and a lightsaber whilst Luke was really far away with nothing to levitate there.