I think it's the best handling of upgrades in transformers fiction personally

 

What, a whole bunch of transformers showing up out of nowhere and everyone pretending they've always been there isn't the best handling?

 

I remember as a kid thinking that with transmetal 2. Maybe since the name is so lazy with just putting a 2 on the end. I prefer all of the S1 designs with exception to rattrap and tarantulas. Their transmetals are just  

 

The joints were placed at the front in the show at times, you are right though they appeared in the centre just as often. I just think the elbow joints are uninspired and ugly. Not a deal breaker of course, I LOVE this figure, but they only needed to apply a little more thought and give him a proper double jointed elbow (and deal with the gap in his knees) and we'd have an EVEN more perfect figure.

Wonderfully put. Count me in the ecstatic but realistic about Dinobots faults camp. I love most of what we've seen, he looks bloody amazing and as a result I pre-ordered him as soon as he was put up, however this does not exclude me from criticising his faults where I see them.

Cheers for the compliment(?) and well put. I see a lot of people 'moaning' about 'moaning' on these forums "haters gonna hate", "Only TF fandom would..." or "If I see one more person complain about..." , these people are almost as bad as those branding everyone who likes or is willing to buy something a wrong or a moron for holding those views, it's all shutting down people from expressing they're valid opinions and putting an end to healthy discussion. I think some people would just be happier if entire news threade were just a list of superlatives, back slapping and universal agreement on how awesome everything is. How boring would that be!

 

This figure ... my God. It's one of those things where you just assume it would never happen. It seems like yesterday that Dinobot being voted into the Transformers Hall of Fame was as good as it was going to get for the character.

 

Wow completely skipped my comment. 

I would like to add maximal no more.(again)

The struggle we saw dinobot face between betraying the maximals and joining the preds because the preds looked like they were about to win and beat the maximals really stood out to me. To see a warrior face a dilemma a warrior should face, which is whether to fight a what seemed like a losing war, or betray his side so that he could be on the "winning" side. The fact that he made that ultimate decision in the end of staying with the maximals stood out to me, and really makes code of hero all the more enjoyable to watch.

Code of hero by itself is GOOD, but with maximal no more just a few episodes behind, it really felt like they were building up to that very episode(which they were obviously). Maximal no more makes code of hero a much more emotionally heavy episode than it already is alone in my opinion.

 

Sorry about that bro I thought we where just thinking about season one because all of season 2 that he's involved in is Dinobot gold. I wonder if Dinobot not just brutally finishing Quickstrike off in Maximal No More has some deeper meaning to it? Did he just think wasting someone in a war not involving many people was bad strategy if he was going to fight with the Preds from now on or was it something more to do with what he had learned from Primal and the others?

 

Someone should ask Takara, do they always feature Generations Rhinox and Rattrap on these photos because they do not plan to make Masterpieces of them at all but considert those the MP versions?

 

Hmm I hadn't thought about comparing it to the wave of new characters that showed up in season 2 of G1. I was thinking more along the lines of Hot Rod into Rodimus, Megs into Galvatron, Bumbleebee into Goldbug from G1. Smokescreen into Hoist from Armada, The Cybetron Defense Team and all the other upgrades from the Unicron trilogy that where just repaints like the Powerlinx/Super Energon upgrades. The Quantum Surge was just such an impactful moment, it traumatized and strengthened the cast and not everyone survived it. And it wasn't just "Hey a new form, I'm new and improved. Watch me go for this one episode and next week I'll be back to normal, just still wearing these new threads" Cheetor and Rattrap had to learn their way around their new modes, Dinobot kind of just looked at them with disgust and Cheetor and Rattrap benefited greatly from their upgrades. They where obviously much hardier in these new bodies and there was an apparent "Transmetal gap". Rhinox stayed at the base most of the time, Waspinator was always Waspinator, Inferno wasn't as much of a threat to the Maximals after most of them got upgraded and Dinobot died.

 

I think it was definitely the latter. Honestly, that episode reminds me a lot of DBZ when Vegeta willingly let himself be taken over by Babidi in order to try and become the ruthless warrior he once was, but ultimately his time on Earth had changed him too much and he just couldn't be that person anymore.

Dinobot's decision clearly took its toll on the Maximals as well, especially Rattrap. Prior to the betrayal, even Rattrap had finally fully trusted Dinobot(still couldn't really stand him but he knew where Dinobot stood). With the betrayal however, Rattrap was justified with what he said all the way back in the Victory episode - Dinobot joined them cause he was convinced that the Maximals would win. It was only Dinobot's guilt at the moment he had Rattrap pinned down that stopped him from fully committing to being a pred again.

 

Exactly. I love seeing people's diverse opinions on figures (and everything else.) And yes that was a compliment lol.   You're someone who always expresses themselves with decorum and you offer reasons for your opinions. Even when I disagree with you, it never comes off as any sort of attack, and that is greatly appreciated.

 

I think they are honestly the best stand ins we have at the moment and do NOT think it takes MP Rhinox and MP Rattrap off the table. That being said, given how good the generations figures are, I would prefer if we got other characters tackled in MP form first (this goes for waspinator, too).

 

They trusted him and his betrayal hurt. It's so subtly done but at the start of Other Voices Pt 1, right after Maximal No More, Rhinox's body language when he's alone in a room with Dinobot just feels uncomfortable before he snaps about him giving Megatron the Disc.

 

Hahaha no worries man, just messing around. I mean I think he knew he could take on everyone on the predacon team alone as evidently seen in code of hero. In that episode he wasn't worried whether he could take on all 6? 7? Predacons at the same time so i'm leaning more towards him realising what it takes to be a maximal and that the predacon way of doing things is the "easy way out" and not honourable.

I don't really think it has anything to do with unsound strategies in war, but it could very well be a possibility nonetheless.

 

Yeah rattrap and dinobot's friendship really is one in a million huh. The fact that rattrap's opinion of him weighs so much more than the rest of the maximal crew really speaks numbers on how much mutual respect goes between the vermin and bad-breath. The fact that rattrap was the only one in the maximal crew whose opinion of dinobot could make dinobot hesitate from becoming a pred again is really fascinating.

 

Yeah with what you and TaurusOxford have said I'm under the impression he was saving face when he gave his reasons for sparing the Fuzor, he didn't want Megatron or the other Predacons in the room to know that he was acting out of compassion, a weakness in the eyes of Preds.

Lets see he took out Tarantulas after the spider back shot him one on one, Inferno, Blackarachnia, Waspinator and Rampage where distracted by their primary task of wrecking the scenery. He quickly took all of those out. Then it was one on one with Quickstrike again. No contest there, in Maximal No More Dinobot actually chose to fight in Beast mode initially but it was still a quick fight and then finally Megatron himself. I think not distracted Inferno, Rampage and Blackarachnia could have given Dinobot real trouble especially Rampage due to his regeneration, size and strength to a lesser extent Inferno due to his pain fresh hold and firepower and Blackarachnia is deadly AF don't get too close for her to kick you. Against season one Megatron I believe Dinobot could eventually best him but Transmetal Megatron was so overconfident at that moment. Dinobot, and all of us that exist today, got lucky.

 

I mean they're goal was to destroy, but they eventually all turned onto dinobot. If they fought in groups and not all at once,it'd probably be less of a clusterf*** and would have given dinobot less opportunities to turn the tide against the preds. Rampage got blown up due to dinobot jamming something into his minigun and inferno got trashed.

Blackarachnia I don't really remember and megatron was,while be it arrogant, still in a "fighting mood" so I don't think he was too confident. He sure thought he'd win when he destroyed dinobot's weapon, but I wouldn't call it overconfident since it would be logical to think you won when your opponent has no weapon and you have one. And it led to one of the best lines ever in tf history so that's awesome.

"What's a warrior w/o weapons?" "A warrior still!"

Megs was overconfident but I wouldn't say that led to the preds' plan's downfall.

But dinobot wasn't scared, that was my point. He didn't show much signs of fear in that whole battle. And that has got to say something about his superior fighting skills and military mindset.

God talking about beast wars really reminds me how much I love the show. It's my all time favourite,right next to prime. Two different shows with two different directions/"feel to it" but both great.

 

Hey @AnonymousDwell, do you think the teeth could be somehow connected to the tongue? Some kind of mechanism that links them together? In the group shot at the bottom right his teeth are definitely not on show, and his tongue is also on the bottom of his mouth.



I think the other shots you posted could be explained by perspective, but it's definitely visible there. Maybe when you move his tongue into the middle of his mouth it lowers the upper teeth at the same time. So that when the mouth is closed the tongue is again at the bottom and the upper teeth hide away, so that the mouth can physically close. It's really cool that his tongue is posable in that way, too.

 

Inferno is the first one he took out completely by surprise running him through and driving his sword down from collar to naval, Blackarachnia reacts from a distance but Dinobot uses Inferno as a shield and takes her out with Infernos gun. He then leaps to lower ground firing at and disarming Rampage whilst landing on and crushing Waspinator. He then shoves bug eyes right into, the just finished transforming, Rampages cannon. That's how that fight went down, the reason I say Megatron acted overconfident was he took time to revel in his opponents defeat creating a window of opportunity, but perhaps he also feared facing Dinobot bot to bot even with all his advantages he had in that moment after witnessing yet another impressive display of prowess in combat.

 

Damn your memory of that episode is on point.