Tbh collider give good reasons but not that guy

 

Has anybody seen Cinema WINS TF 1 review
one of the Very Few to actually have a positive review
of any of these films (if at all)
I'm surprised if anyone on Youtube
even so much as calls it down the middle
with these movies
Youtube is like 90%

(and don't even get Me started on the comment sections)

 

I've got cupboards full of them!

 

And yet people try to justify how unfaithful these movies are to the source material by saying that "it's for the general public, not the fans". And then, the general public either doesn't give a crap, or completely dismisses the movies. And it's evident, literally, everywhere on the internet. From movie news pages, to facebook, to youtube. It's common knowledge that Transformers equals "big, dumb and kinda trash". Except the little bubble that is the fan communities, where everything is upside down. So, it begs the question... Who the hell are they made for? Used to be for China, now not even that. Is this what we want from our favourite franchise? Really, the only place where I see positivity about Bayformers, and even more so, such passionate defense, is within fan communities. Where, even then, Bayformers fans seem to be the extremely, extremely loud minority. How can Hasbro turn a blind eye to all of this? It's overwhelming evidence.

You really gotta stop confusing "reality" with "opinion". It's literally all you've kept repeating since the first comment I've seen you make. Your opinion does not equal reality. The reviewer offers plenty of arguments. Actually, he SHOWS them, right in front of your eyes. Of all the delusional Hasbro apologists, quite often you take the cake mate.

 

Delusional Hasbro apologist? LoL really? Frankly, I have seen plenty of ideas from Hasbro that I thought sucked, some which got canned thankfully, including some ideas for the movies. I think their attempt to sue DC over the Bumblebee name is ridiculous.

And since when did I ever say my opinion = reality? I said opinions should be based in reality. Those are two very different things. I have seen Ralph make questionable statements about other movies that weren't true. I also wish he would just make shorter videos. Make a single 5-15 minute video stating reasons you didn't like the film. Maybe around twenty minutes maximum IF the review is extremely well done. 38:03 total. He often used to make two videos that were around twenty minutes apiece. I don't care how much or how little he likes a film; that is way too long for a Youtube review.

And please don't accuse others of "repeating" when you repeat yourself all of the time it seems.

Here's a better idea rather than simply saying that the movies suck over and over again or post reviews from other parts of the internet. Don't just say The Last Knight sucks. State specific aspects of the film that you didn't like and why you didn't like them.

For instance, I did not like how the transition from Galvatron to Megatron was not shown or even explained whatsoever. I get that he has the same red mark Optimus has, but I still would have liked a little more than that. That is a specific thing I did not like about the film. The same goes for things I liked about the film, like Welker's voice acting. It had a weariness to it that I really liked, and it was like a more evil-sounding version of his Prime voice.

 

I'm just gonna say the execution of this thread is sloppy. Sorry.... It almost turned me into PC Principal. :/

 

That's literally the only example you've ever brought of why you're not a Hasbro apologist. It's the second time, at least, I think. I have never encountered mental gymnastics as elaborate and persistent as yours and AutobotAvalanche's and it's always, always been in favour of the status quo, no matter what specific thing is being criticized. Very rarely, you might criticize, lightly, something very trivial. And my angle has been clear as daylight, always, I believe. I want quality over quantity. A complete reboot of the movies, as well as other media, with a more faithful, creative, substancial and respectful approach.

What the hell does that even mean? How do you judge if an opinion is based in reality? You consider a fact that all Transformers fiction is just about the same trite. That, would, somehow make all these people, on all these boards and all these discussions over the years, with so many arguments, somehow out of the realm of what you consider reality. Would there even be a point to any discussion ever if everything was the same?

So, you want me to pointlessly re-iterate points that should be obvious and have been repeated time and time again from almost every possible angle, just to join the background noise on some god forsaken thread somewhere and not try to rock the boat with actual arguments against the direction that the franchise is being taken to as a whole? Is that what you find acceptable if one wants change and improvement?

Finally... Just leave me alone for god's sake. I've pushed the ignore button already, but everywhere I comment, everywhere I post, here you are, with your merry little goombas to derail the hell out of it and bait me until the admins get the slightest reason to penalise.

 

I was waiting to see if Ralph would do a review and here it is...

 

Obviously, you posted this to drum up a controversial topic and to tease fans of the movieverse to fight back. Most of us understand that TLK sucked and this video isn't adding anything new to the discussion.

Reading from your past comments, it seems like this is your hobby now and you should definitely acquire a new hobby if this is your only form of entertainment in life.

 

I could say the same for you. I wish I had well made Transformers entertainment currently. And I wish you weren't so delusional, to reject arguments, observations and lessons from outside perspectives from those offered within the fandom's bubble (like this video) before even considering them. You just go head first for trouble, and then call me the troublemaker. Hypocrite.

 

1. There's no reason to bring up other members who aren't in this thread, especially when you misrepresent what they said as you misrepresent what I say.

2. You clearly don't know me that well if you think I want the "status quo." On the contrary, I love the changes the 1986 movie and third season make to the cartoon. I love the later G1 comics and G2 comics and Regeneration One and the changes they make. I love Beast Wars AND Beast Machines, as the latter is a more than adequate sequel to Beast Wars in my opinion. I love Age of Extinction, because I love how it changes the fictional universe of the Bay movies. In each one of those instances I love the changes regardless of what I thought about the previous fiction.

Not every fan is going to agree with me about those specific pieces of fiction, and that's perfectly okay. But I definitely don't want a status quo, regardless of how much I like something. Fictional universes should change over time.

If you criticize the movies, you need to be able to explain what you don't like about them.

If you praise the movies, you need to explain what you like about them.

Otherwise, you're just parroting a lot of generalizations.

This was my first quote in this thread:

Perhaps I was a little too strong, but you then say the following, even though I never mentioned you:

Way to antagonize other people in this thread. I have plenty of disagreements with fans, some which have gotten pretty heated, but there's really no reason to be this abrasive.

 

Where do I fall under all this? I'm a fan of the TF movies and I didn't enjoy TLK. Even prior to finding this thread, I posted RTMM's video under the "What made you laugh today" thread, because I felt it was a good review with valid points before it entered the territory of nonsensical hilarity which I love (Optimus Halftime, etc.)

But when you come into a thread with words like "don't get triggered!", man, Murphy's law  . I'm all for you posting your opinions regarding the franchise and your desire to see it head another direction (trust me, I know exactly how it feels when you believe an organization has abandoned the values you came to love it for), but I think your thread execution could have been more eloquent. I know for every nut out there, there is another rational person who exists on the opposite spectrum of your perspective, but would be more open to discussion by a different approach

 

I'm not rejecting anyone's argument here, especially since you have a few valid points I agree with. You've stated your beliefs countless times now and like I said before, it's not adding anything new to the discussion.

I don't want to push this any further so I'll stop here.

 

please don't stop the Music

sorry I just really wanted to make a pun, when I'm a sinner there can be no winner

 

i dont know who that is let alone why he deserves to have his review canonized..add me to the idgaf crowd

 

Thank you for your input! Sincerely, I appreciate it. Any suggestions? Because it seems that, whatever you do, however you say it, if it criticizes the status quo even by implication, someone will be seriously triggered in here. It's an infamously toxic community.

"If it's not someone with great authority, his arguments and observations are irrelevant, however substancial they may be!"

No wonder dumb movies make tons of money. And, hey, look! Galvatross likes your comment!

Every time? Do I have to re-iterate whole books worth of criticisms for every comment I make, regardless the topic? What the hell? Am I on trial? I have done all of these and more a million times already! But there you are, on every post, whatever I say, derailing it, and then blaming it on me for getting off topic by answering!

...but it really isn't, apparently. It depends how "based in reality" you, yourself, judge their opinion to be. Regardless of the arguments, regardless of the sentiments. You just come from a place of "it's all pretty dumb and silly anyway, there wasn't a point to arguing anyway, but I'll passionately argue how pointless arguing is!", "whoever disagrees about how dumb and silly it all has been, is detached from reality". Speaking of contradictions...

Are you serious with this logic? You comment on my post, and then say you never mentioned me?!?!? This is beyond childish.

You antagonize me. Period.

 

1. Respect opinions.

e.g. "You like this movie. You must be dumb."- This is a no,no and it doesn't help.

As opposed to, "For me, the movie did not work. I did not like it, but I'm glad you were able to enjoy it."

2. If you've ever been banned, reported or ignored. Think about what it means. Have you played it safe enough? Do you need to adjust your attitude?

3. Don't put too many exclamation marks because it kind of reflects what is happening behind the screen.

That's the best advice I can offer as a member. No matter which community you go to, there is a shadiness beneath them.

And just to add to the discussion of what Ralph made in the end. I believe audiences want "dumb" movies more than ones that challenge the brain simply because it's a safer choice on what they expect to get when they go to the movies. People look for entertainment and marketing plays a pretty critical role. So prior to release, when I see Optimus go evil in the TLK trailer, my brain suddenly responds to that with interest. Of course, the marketing doesn't reflect the final film but at least it had the capacity to somehow grab onto my mind. Most of the time, Michael Bay has marketability with his movies although not so much on movies like Pain & Gain or 13 Hours lately.

As opposed to movies like say Blade Runner 2049 and Mother!, the trailers IMO show some cool stuff but overall I can feel that perhaps moviegoers will be dissuaded by the idea of being unsure what movie they are gonna get, Is it action?, Is it horror?, Is it a neo-noir? Christopher Nolan is one guy who I believe nails it with his marketing team to get people's attention on movies by finding a balance on being both entertaining and thought-provoking. So it's not like being 'smart' with your movie is nothing. (Even though I know I don't love Inception as much as others)

All in all, I think it comes to you. Not the critics, not the audience, you. This is a cliche in saying so but it's what I believe. There are horror movies with great critic reviews like It Comes At Night yet somehow audiences didn't seem on board. Justice League is a movie that I believe is not going to go down well with critics yet it's gonna apparently bank.

Hope this helps enough.

 

I never said you have to every time. BUT I have yet to see a single post from you describing a single specific aspect of the films you don't like. Everything you have said is just generic statements about the films. We get that you don't like them. Everyone gets that. However, you have never mentioned particular scenes, particular characters, specific plot points, etc. If you are going to criticize the films, you need to be able to back up your criticisms with evidence at some point in time. Otherwise, it seems your hatred of the films is based on nothing.

And I also said that people who praise the films also need to be able to provide evidence as to why they like them. They can't just say, "Bay is great! Transformers films are awesome no matter what." Lovers of the Bay movies also need to be able to break down the films and state why they like the films. They need to state why they like specific films, scenes, characters, and plot points.

Let's go back to my first post in this thread.

This should be interesting.

I didn't mention you in that post. I only mentioned a Youtube reviewer who isn't a member here so far as I know.

Unless you're secretly "Ralph the Movie Maker."

You then say this before I once quoted you:

This should be interesting.

And this:

This should be interesting.

Which I replied to in a non-antagonistic way:

This should be interesting.

I simply responded to you in a respectful way, and then your posts deteriorated further, to the point you mention other members and accuse other members here of being "hypocrites."

If you are going to start a new thread criticizing the films, state your criticisms using your own words. Don't just post a video from a random Youtuber. And don't antagonize those who respond, especially some of the people who actually largely agreed with you in some ways.

There is a Transformers video forum as well as a TLK User Review Thread that would have been perfect places for this.

 

I don't find your way respectful. It just abides by the page rules and therefore your condescending and arrogant commentary doesn't count as grounds for punishment. You commented on my post. I accuse other members of being hypocrites, because they accuse me of being a troublemaker, while they go head first for trouble, triggered by even the implication of criticism.

I started a new thread to share a video, related to the films, which I believe stands on its own and offers an outsider perspective on TLK, which is as interesting as the fan perspective that has been shared elsewhere here, by everyone. Do I need to write books to accompany that as well?