Somehow I don't see this one hurting. In fact I see it hurting the KO manufacturer. It's priced higher than XTB and they chose to mold it as Sideswipe which looks like garbage. I can't see anyone actually buying that thing.

Plus it gave us $40 MP scale stunticons.

 

I think he was being sarcastic... UGLY and more expensive lol

 

No. A 3P company making Ip infringing products for profit is like someone selling a fan made game that uses assets taken from the original game and/or an unofficial game featuring characters, etc from an established game without permission. If someone pirated such a game, would it really matter?

 

Valid point, I saw someone with business experience on 3rd party side say that FT Phoenix only cost about 10-20$ to make. By the time it gets to the US, it's 220$.

The whole XTB Menasor situation, Keith mentioned that they're priced so low (40$) as a thank you to the fans. Another was to crush the KO company that stole his products. I doubt that he's not taking a loss at 40$, just not making as high of a profit as he'd like.

Same goes for FT with their price cut with their Omega.

 

Is this fool really saying your post had no substance? What!? Man third party fans are something else.

 

I've been tinkering with a new theory that the decline in toy sales isn't solely about kids moving to video games and electronics. I'm starting to think some of it is the unhealthy greed of the manufacturers and the retailers. They've priced parents out in the face of cheaper alternatives. Now that I'm a parent who has been buying toys for a while I really see it. If I wasn't into collecting I doubt my kids would have as many toys as they do.

Cycle back to this discussion there isn't a lot of ethics on any side. Individuals sure, but groups, i.e. consumer, retailer, producer, no. The dollar is king and he doesn't lose.

 

Wei Better?

I love it!

 

I'll give you the latter example, but not the former. The former would be a KO, which, i think we can all agree, 3Ps are not.

 

I wonder how badly KOs have hurt companies like Rolex and Titleist and Oscar de la Renta. They have had their products KO'd for decades.
I'm sure they're pissed to some extent, but KOs or counterfeit goods have been a part of doing business forever. These are the companies that would actually have any data about lost sales and projected loss of income and such because of KOs.

 

Where it hits "the fandom" obviously though, regardless of IP issues, is that small 3rd party companies will go out of business when ko companies knock their product off (and we say "Hey, I'll wait, there's a ko coming" and don't buy the product they actually developed). Once the people who actually develop and design these dastardly IP infringing likeness robot transformiing toys go belly up, 3rd party may cease to exist or at least contract a lot, and
then there'll be no KO's either-or except of official figures. So in the end, any time someone says "I'll wait for the ko" our future options probably are reduced.

 

Just out of curiosity since it was brought up. How much did transformers used to cost, like maybe a decade ago? Only came back to collecting like midway last year and I was shocked at the prices but I thought it was the standard pricing for it.
prices now after conversion to usd for tru
14.68 - legends
23.49 - deluxes
41.86 - voyagers
73.44 - leaders

 

I think some of the comparisons are like apples to oranges.

Gucci valued at 12.1 billion compared to a 3rd party company. Not saying it's ok to ko Gucci because its a big company. I'm sure they have more padding built in their product to offset sales taken away from ko. At the very least, compare 3rd party to a small indie company

 

Yes I realise that , but just curious how much did it used to cost . Just wondering how much my dad spent on my bw figures, he used to get me one deluxe whenever I did well for tests and exams. Thought this could be a good place to get some information on how much those cost , out of appreciation towards my parents.

 

Wai thank you.

 

Used to be...
Legends $5.99
Deluxe $9.99
Voyager $19.99
Leaders $35-40

 

according to the wiki beast wars were:

basic $5 (7.79)
deluxe $10 (15.58)
mega $15 (23.38)
ultra $20 (31.37)

The $ price is 1996, the () is 2017. I used an inflation calculator, which to is be more accurately described as a buying power calculator.

I'll expand on this because I want to do a little more looking at stuff. I never bought anything beast wars, so was the mega class voyagers?

 

yeah I sold my polar claw recently it's a mega which looks like a voyager class now.
Basic - legends "roughly I think ? It's more like the Orion pax/lio convoy mold's height in my dp"
Deluxes - deluxes
Mega - voyagers
Ultra - similar to leader class
Can't really tell , I was way too young and mum threw most of them away . But dinobot was definely around a deluxe height maybe taller ?

 

Dude, don't flatter yourself; your comment doesn't do do anything to me.

Seriously, If you want a good discussion I'm all in. But no need for calling names.

I'm out.

 

just a heads up for people saying Rolex, prada etc have been bootlegged for years and dont do anything. They put a lot of money into stopping this. They will gladly stop whole containers of goods and just shred the whole lot to protect their brand. They don't just let it slide in a "too big to fail" style of management. Stopping small shipments of only a few items off ebay to a home address is harder to stop but lets not say they turn a blind eye to getting their s**t bootlegged.

here is a whole documentary

 

Now we just need a vid like this but about toys.