In Transformers 1, Ratchet claims that the Decepticons want to use the Allspark to transform Earth's machines. Is this true or is this just Ratchet's speculation? Was Megatron's true plan to deliver the Allspark to The Fallen so that The Fallen could find the Matrix of Leadership and the Solar Harvester and use them to blow up the sun?

 

ratchet is a bastard in film 1, this is common knowledge

 

Why was he a bastard, what did he do?

 

Yea, how was Ratchet a bastard?  

Megatron planned on enslaving the human race. How better to do that then by creating his own minions via the Allspark.

 

He was totally egging Ironhide on when he was suggesting he take out Sam's parents.

But I mean, who could blame him?

 

Well if Ratchet is a bastard for jokingly egging Hide on, then so am I. Pretty sure anyone watching that scene sided with Ratch and was cheering for Hide to end the annoying parents.  

 

even his arrival to earth was violent & 'dickish' compared to the rest, there's the sam's parents bit, thinks knocking out people's power is funny, the scene where he blows up sam's spot with mikayla, he zaps bumblebees throat making him look like a punk in front of his new friends, lies about megatron's intentions, abandons jazz when he needs him the most..

 

We'll see, this was the plan at that time. You know, before ROTF was made and then that plot became the MAIN plan all along. Oh wait no no! It was the plan to bring Cybertron to Earth and rebuild it as if neither the movie 1 or 2 plots were ever a thing. So yeah that whole bringing Cybertron to Earth plot seemed to be the best and got people excited and in theater seats. So why not!! Let's just do that plot all over again  . Lmao!!!



Tell me I'm wrong?

 

But he's a funny bastard.

 

The Sentinel plan can be explained by the fact that Earth wasn't the planet that Megatron and Sentinel intended to bring Cybertron to. The reason I created this thread is because ROTF makes it clear Megatron's main goal in TF1 was to get the Allspark in order to help The Fallen find the Matrix of Leadership and the Solar Harvester. The question is whether or not Megatron also wanted to transform Earth's machines or if that was just Ratchet's speculation.

 

It isn't exactly clear that he wanted to use the Allspark to help The Fallen find the Matrix. How would having the Allspark lead them to the Matrix? A connection was never made between the two.

 

Wow, did ratchet wrong you in another lifetime dude? Did he reformat you into a toaster? Throw a wrench at your head?  
Oh please let me counter your 'complaints'

1. He couldn't control his landing any more than the others. Hide ruined a guy's pool and Jazz damaged a baseball stadium.

2. He knocked the power out because he tripped. He said the electricity coursing through him felt funny, as in strange.

3. He was running scans of the kids and was unaware that mentioning a person's hormone status was embarrassing to awkward human teens

4. He was using a beam to try and fix Bee's voice box

5. He wasn't wrong about Megs. He intended to use the Allspark to find the Matrix. Along with enslaving humanity.

6. He did not abandon Jazz. He thought he was beyond repair, which prior to AOE, we ALL thought


Any other issues you'd like me to explain to you?  

 

The Allspark had the instructions for finding the Matrix. At the end of TF1, those instructions were transferred to Sam's mind, hence the Sam's mind plot in ROTF.

 

I don't think Megatron knew the Allspark could animate earth tech in the first film, at least not right after waking up. He wanted the Allspark because it would bring life to his world again (and his empire), and because it was an artifact of phenomenal cosmic power. I think he ended up absorbing it and going through his first death of many before he figured out it's true potential on earth.

Now, that being said, if he HAD gotten the Allspark and had a little while to catch his breathe and figure out that this thing could turn an entire planet of technology based off his own body into a feral army of marauding Decepticons, he would have DEFINITELY made the best of that opportunity.

 

Nah... Megatron said he had an arrangement to meet Sentinel Prime on Earth. Meaning Sentinel gave away the location of the Allspark. I'm assuming a long con by Megatron. He makes himself heir to the Fallen as leader of the Decepticons, have him be killed by Sentinel Prime, through Sentintel end the war bringing the Autobots under his regime.

Note there is no indication Megatron knew about the Matrix. Wheelie said the Seekers were looking for something but he doesn't know what. Only on the Nemesis did the Fallen reveal the Matrix can't be destroyed only it will seek a new vessel meaning the Matrix.

Megatron intended to use the Allspark to build an army as seen with the Hatchlings on the Nemesis and repair Cybertron with it. Along with extracting resources from Earth.

 

Sorry to say this about Ratchet but...

It's possible Megatron would have used the allspark for that purpose but considering he arrived on earth way before there were any machines to take over it's just speculation on his part.

 

You are correct that Megatron didn't know that the Cybertronian writing on the Allspark was indestructible and would seek a new vessel, but that doesn't mean Megatron didn't know that the Cybertronian writing on the Allspark was instructions for finding the Matrix.

 

I'm not entirely sure the writing on the Allspark was instructions for finding the Matrix. Why would it be inscribed with something that was hidden years (centuries?) after it arrived on cybertron? Reign of Starscream and the early IDW movie comics might provide some more info on this, but I don't think what you've stated here is the case. If anything, I got the feeling from those (albeit side sources) comics that the cybertronians didn't really understand the Allspark a huge amount better than the humans.

I mean, sure, it CONTAINED that information, I guess, but it contained a whole lot of things that weren't written on the surface.

If it were that simple Sam and co could have just said "hey simmons you guys take any photos of the allspark?"

"Oh yeah! YEAH! Yeah baby! Here! Photos! Closeups! Detailed shots! Dutch angles, son! I got you! I got your pho - oh, that one's my butt. That's personal. Thats for private use, forget that one..."

 

Keep in mind that the Allspark was on Cybertron for a VERY long time. I'm sure all factions studied as much as they could about it. They would've had some idea about what it could do, and what some of the glyphs translated to.

I doubt very much that Megs was unaware of what the Allspark could potentially do. Just as I'm sure that Optimus was aware of what it could do.
If Optimus knew, and knew what Megs could do with that power, so would Ratchet and the others.

Megs didn't just go off galavanting thru the galaxy, chasing down the Allspark for shyts and giggles.

 

I read that in Simmon's voice and it worked 100%