Since TLK has come out, people have put so much negative emphasis on Michael Bay as director of the Transformers movies (especially people on these forums who I thought had some sense of respect). Regardless of whether any of you think the Transformers movies are good or not, you need to understand that Michael Bay is a human being. You all attack him and spew so much hatred towards a single person just because he makes movies that you don't like. The hatred needs to stop. You don't even know if any other director could do a better job. What if the next director is so bad that they make you wish Bay would forever direct the Transformers films?

In 2006, no one even wanted to direct the movies except for Michael Bay. You hate on him and call him names, blaming him for things you don't even know are his fault.
Steven Spielberg (the man who so many people worship) didn't even want the Transformers to speak. How awful would the movies be if he were in charge?
Ask yourself, could you do something better than Michael Bay? Could you handle thousands of crew and cast members in directing a massive franchise of films? Handling actors, expensive cars, pyrotechnics, explosions, cinematographers, dozens of people, risky budgets, marketing management, etc., over a course of a year.
No, you couldn't and there is no denying. You have zero experience!

If you think constantly saying "Bay needs to go" "Bay sucks" "Bay has ruined my childhood" calling him names, verbally attacking him (he was even physically attacked on the set of AoE), etc. is a good thing, like its gonna make the Transformers movies better then you are terribly wrong.

You are not a good person, or a good Transformers fan! Want to know why? You like characters such as Optimus Prime, yet you are nothing like those fictional characters. At all! If you can't even have the behavior of a noble character like Optimus Prime, THE Transformer, or aspire to be good hearted like Optimus, then you are not a good Transformers fan AT ALL!

Even worse, you are just a terrible selfish person in general.

All this hatred towards Michael Bay is unnecessary. Be happy you get live action Transformer films. Realize that not everything bad about the movies is his fault. Even if they were to be, he's still a human being.

If you can't value human life, you don't even deserve happiness in the form of a Transformers movie.

I hope Michael Bay returns at least to co-direct Transformers 6, and Hasbro never reboot this franchise until they feel like it. Keep making Bayformers no matter how rude you negative hateful people are. Because you haters don't deserve anything good.

The very least takeaway you can receive from this is a change of heart. Either way your behavior is a mere reflection of who you truly are inside.

 

What about those of us who don't hate him, we're just tired of his incompetence? Are we still OK?

 

Does the hatred towards Bay as a person need to stop? Absolutely. Physical attacks and personal attacks are childish, and paint a poor picture of this fandom at large. It's kneejerk and a sign of over-investment of something not worth that level of emotional outburst.

As a director? No. He made himself available for criticism in that regard when he became one. You can say he's a shit director and makes shit movies until you're blue in the face. And since he keeps making the movies, he just keeps reigniting that frustration. Though personally I blame Paramount for hiring him more, but I also see he clearly is not giving a shit when making these movies anymore, and that deserves criticism.

But please, let's just be a grown up about it.

Aw hell yeah, dude.

 

Why? I'm getting ready to actually start doing that now...

 

Don't tell me to be a grown up about it just because you can't handle inner criticism where it hurts you.

 

Never hated him and have liked most of his movies. But TLK was a dumpster fire of a film. Time to let someone else take a turn at directing one. Maybe people will go "Wow, never realized how good Bay was at directing these. Bring him back"

 

I wasn't? I was just talking in general. I thought the context of my post was fairly clear about that. You seem a little defensive.

But there, I editied it to have a more obvious general statement vibe.

 

love bay but tlk was just...idk it was soulless..idk if he's forced to put so many characters in from hasbro or what but it just wasn't made with a lot of love in my opinion

 

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Very well put. Personal attacks on the man is just wrong and juvenile. On his works though, go crazy.

 

I'm okay with Bay at best and I liked the movies. But it's clear it's time for him to step down. He can definitely do the spectacle, but he never seemed to good with the story,

 

Seriously I am so tired of Bay. So sick of these movies, all i want is a reboot of this series. It clear bay dosnet know what hes doing with this franchise and or has pure component for it.
But yes attack him as a person is wrong but I will criticize these movies and how he makes them until the end of my days. Sorry.

 

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Okay, we've got a lot of new users who haven't been with us through a movie year before. Sit on down next to old man Aernaroth, ladies and gents, let me walk you through this. I've been through it five goddamn times already, and there is a definite pattern to things you should all be aware of.

So.

We've already had the movie come out, which means we're past the roughly year and a half of rabid speculation, "X SHOULD BE IN THE MOVIE" threads, fantheories about every blurry pixel in every trailer or poster, chewing of what scenes they liked in previous films that should be repeated (note: for the 2007 film, substitute from the tv shows and 86 movie instead), prophecies and "secret" sources, and occasionally, some really interesting discussion and analysis about the brand. Believe it or not, this is the fun bit.

Right now, the movie has been out a few days (not counting preview screenings). So what that means is that we're just about past the initial rush of threads about "WOW I LOVED THIS BIT" and "WHO COULD HAVE IMAGINED THIS COULD HAPPEN!", though they'll trickle on pretty much forever. What IS happening right now is that reviews from professional critics, and other viewers who were disappointed, either right off the bat, or having slept on what they saw, are starting to become more and more noticeable. And let me tell you, some of these criticisms are going to get SAVAGE, both in terms of disassembly of the film through artistic analysis, or morons saying Michael Bay should personally french kiss a blender or that his dogs should die in a housefire or something stupid like that. There's also going to be a ton of people voicing heartfelt, thought-out statements about what they feel to be shortcomings of the film.

Which brings me to this thread.

The inevitable backlash. Fans of the movie who, for some reason, take the rising chorus of criticism as something akin to a personal attack or a rude statement about their mother. This thread isn't even the first example of this, I think the last one got ghosted, this one probably will as well. They'll dismiss criticisms as either irrelevant, wrong, or otherwise not allowed on this section, they'll jump to the film, and especially Michael Bay's defense, and in some cases, they'll end up saying shittier things about their fellow users than their opponents ever said about the films. It'll turn into a gross shouting match/flamewar where in between a few rational nerds trying to explain why, actually, differing opinions laid out in a rational manner through the lens of cinematic analysis are a good things there will be vast seas of venom and counter accusations of ruining childhoods by accusing Bay of ruining an earlier childhood. Please, dear reader, do not be among them, if only because it's a good way to get banned and it's pretty much the reason a lot of users have seen the movie section of the site as a cesspool for... wow, a decade now!

So what's coming up? A lot of cheerleading about the success/failure of the film in terms of box office performance (you've already seen the start of that), a bunch of the same threads that I've mentioned in the above two paragraphs (don't count the single "which brings me to this thread" line), probably some bragging about how someone has seen the film a bunch of times / has not seen it at all, and eventually, once the movie leaves theatres, things will settle down a bit more.

For the next year or so at that point you can expect a bunch of threads about what people's favorite characters are, what moments they thought were good, why a reboot needs to happen or what directors should take over, and while often these can be pretty low-content threads, they're not bad, by comparison. We'll definitely have at least a few threads about why certain characters are/aren't racist stereotypes, probably a fanfic or two posted here instead of the correct section, some fake news about the next film, and occasionally, someone will put together a really interesting analysis of the film or the universe that it sets out. And by about that time, we'll have news from the next movie, and the WHOLE THING STARTS OVER FROM THE TOP.

All of this has happened before.

All of this will happen again (at least once).

Welcome to the ride, maybe you new batch can find a way to break the cyyyyyyyyaaaahhahahahahahahahahahaha. Nahhhhh.

 

You see I have lurked around this site and been on here for 3 movies now. And everything he just said is a factual statement. So basically, just live and learn, or let go. History repeats itself, and it will probably once again this next year.

 

Agreed.

Michael Bay is a top level director and many amongst Hollywood would agree.

Spielberg, Anthony Hopkins and several others.

 

Bay isn't a bad director. He's just bad at making Transformers movies.

 

Lol "STOP NOW" , what is this a lecture?
Look me personally, I don't hate bay as a person but i hate how he can never make a transformers movie make sense and actually have transformers as the main and important characters. Bay has made some cool films and tf1 and tf3 (with their flaws) were decent films. Transformers can be so much more but bay and paramount don't give a shit enough to do so.

 

Bay is best in 'small doses.' He is used to shooting fast, and I think when it comes to commercials, that is where he can shine.

I will give him credit for that Aaron Burr "Got Milk" commercial. The cutting and quick-imagery that helps tell the story, still holds up pretty well overall.


My feeling is when it comes to films, he really does need to 'grow up.' There are some films where it feels like he almost thinks he's acting like an adult, and then he just goes and drops the act, throw away the fake ID and go, "Yeah! Fooled you!!"

Some have said that Bay secretly idolizes the Coen Brothers, and I have to agree with those people (seriously, he keeps casting actors who have worked with the Coens!), and the film "Pain and Gain" felt like him trying to emulate the brothers' typical 'heist gone wrong' film, but sadly, a Coen Brothers production as seen the through a kaleidoscope of sadomasochism, while taking a true story and trying to make it funny (let alone Tony Shalhoub being brutally beaten, and then stuck in a room where a guy's diarrhea ends up splayed across a bathroom wall at one point in the name of 'humor'!).

I feel like Spielberg made the transition to 'adult' pretty well, but I doubt if Bay will ever outgrow his 'Peter Pan' phase.

 

You know I can't help but wonder, how well do you think Bay would have done had he been given the GI Joe franchise instead? He seems pretty good at making military focused movies.

 

I'm a big fan of Bay but I'm not so much loyalist.

Here's the thing, Bay made the first Transformers movie and a lot of us loved it. Now ten years later, Paramount keeps bribing him... It's like, "Bay you can make 13 Hours but in return we're gonna give you this salary of money for you to direct Transformers 5." It feels like a vicious cycle.

I did not like TLK because of honest reasons. His direction is kind of overstaying its welcome and it turns to franchise fatigue. You can argue MCU movies are the same but they constantly try more to find new directions and styles to make people stay along for the ride.

I hope this movie makes Paramount realize that one guy is not a successful Krabby Patty formula all the time. I want Bay to move on and do things that he has passion for.

 

TRANSFORMERS: THE WHITE KNIGHT
In theaters now​

Well said as always, Aernaroth.