What did make sense?

 

I think Day Trader should have been called Junkion.

 

Now this'll be fun!

Sooo, bypassing the fact that a lot of this is in the app timeline which I spent 4 hours transcribing several months ago and no one bothered to read...

1. The secret history of transformers is read the app and the rest will likely be explained in future spin offs should the bee movie be a success

2. Unicron is earth for the same reason as in prime, the 13 defeated him and blew him into space, over time his large body gathered debris from a newly forming solar system and became and organic world.

3. You got me with the horns

4. Stonehenge is a mysterious ancient structure that humans at the time of its construction did not have the technology to build. Therefore it can be presumed that the knights built it as a marker. Or if humans did build it, transformers clearly had an influence on earth's mythology in this universe (another prime carry over), maybe they built it as a marker for the final battle based on the prophecy?

5. The knights motives were again explained in the app, but suffice to say they stole the ceptor from quintessa and were hiding it on earth (presumably to ensure Unicron would fall...probably not a fan of the whole "Unicron has to live cause he's the core of a planet" thing)



As for previous plot lines, I'll admit there aren't many, but there are a few. The destruction of cybertron in DOTM is what started this whole mess. The whole "transformers have been here forever" thing was also a major part of ROTF, it's not hard to assume Simmons was wrong when he thought they were all here looking for the matrix, he is an idiot after all. The app also states that the primes, specifically solus and quintus prime (we'll get there in a minute) created the allspark and that quintus used it to create the first life forms on cybertron. The whole "creator" thing was also set up in AOE, and as to why lockdown often referred to them in the plural, the app explains this too. The quintessons invaded at one point during cybertron's history (under quintessa' leadership) and were the ones that taught the transformers how transform, as such, when they claimed to be gods, many believed them.

It is also worth noting that I have no idea why bee could suddenly talk. It would have been so easy to just add in a flash from the staff hitting him in the neck. Also, quintessa is quintus prime if that wasn't obvious from the above.



Look I get that about 50% of people didn't like this movie, and if you didn't that's fine, but all I've seen as an explanation is "it was garbage because garbage". If you want to state specifics and have an actual discussion fine, otherwise you're just click bate.

 

Shouldn't a movie be able to stand on it's own two legs and not need DLC to understand?

This was never explained in the film.

That didn't answer my question at all. Did Knights or humans build it? Why didn't the movie bother to at least hint at an explanation? Stonehenge showed up out of nowhere near the end without explanation a sto why it was at all relevant to the events of the film prior or after. Why was stonehenge in this movie?

Then it doesn't count.

A movie can't leave crucial plot information to be found in an app. Imagine if you went to go see Star Wars, and the entire beginning of the film before we meet luke is only available in comic format in a panflet you had to buy before the movie even came out. Everything about Leia, Vader, the Empire vs. Rebels, the Death Star plans all not estabished at all. The movie would seem positively looney without that information.

Is it? Because Optimus mentions the war that ravaged Cybertron.

But.. he wasn't wrong. In fact, Simmons never told us that, Jetfire did. And he was right, because the Fallen did want the Matrix, and that's what the Seekers were after. It's all he wanted.

Still doesn't count. We don't even know if the app is canon. Could be like the comics and is rendered useless once the next film comes out.

I hardly count the last movie's plot that directly led into this one as "preestablished plotlines." I mean yeah, it technically was, in that the beginning of a film is a preestablished plotline for the end of it, but even then there's discontinuity. And once again, the app does not count. A movie has to function on its own, not only once you'd read all obscure ancillary material. AOE basically existed only to set up this movie, which sucked, meaning AOE is even more useless than before.

I mean, it's a lot more than 50% who didn't like it. It has the worst opening of a TF movie ever domestically. Even hardcore Bayformers fans are turning away from the film series because of this movie.

Also, when a movie is this bad, who the hell is going to care to elaborate? When you get stung by a bee, or smell a rank fart, do you break down the biological processes that encourage the reactions of pain and disgust respectively? No, you just react instinctively without explanation, because it's obvious to anyone why those things hurt and stink like they do. It's a pointless effort explaining why something so obviously bad is bad.

And that's not what clickbait means.

 

Just came back from seeing the movie. And people before this thought the first 4 movies were bad. I actually think the first one will forever be a great TF movie, such a classic. TLK though is so bad... Definitely the worst one of the bunch. It makes all the previous movies look really good.

 

His creepily human face!

 

I'm seeing the movie tomorrow. Now, despite so many bad reviews I would like to know if any of the following is revealed/explained;

Is there a scene of on Cybertron during the war, with Megs tf1 form along with optimus?

Galvatron to Megatron

Are the creators finally shown and their history ?

The Dinobots and how they got along with the new knights. Do they fight in the final battle in their knight form?

Does Barricade die again?

Thanks again.

 

No Megs and Optimus on Cybertron during the war

Galvatron to Megs isn't explained, tho it's strongly hinted that Quintessa is who upgraded him

Only Quintessa is ever shown or mentioned

The Dinobots never meet the Knights

Barricade does not die

 

As for Bee's restored voice box and voice, pretty sure Merlin's staff is responsible for that.

 

This action was in no way good, good action is when the good guys have a good solid challenge, i don't see one sided beat downs against a group who are known in other series to be feared throughout the galaxy or even universe as good action, this was terrible, and none of it could be called good fan service. I've never been so pissed to see Unicron in my life.

 

Thanks @SunSwipe5 @Sentinel
 

 

The part with Bee's restored voice does not take a rocket scientist to figure out.
It was already established that Quintessa's staff has the abilities of Solus Prime's Forge. It can restore and heal.
The staff was in Prime's chest the entire time they were fighting. Since Bee literally had no voice box, and the staff was in very close proximity to him, his box and voice were restored.
The writers didn't need to hold my hand for me to figure that out.

 

I can personally get it.
I have given these films the benefit of the doubt over the years.
Defended the movies.
Even liked and defended Bay himself.
.
I can no longer do so. This film was garbage. That's all there is to it.
However, it is pretty to look at.
Despite the myriad of problems with the plot and narrative it still managed to entertain me.
Yeah, I found myself shaking my head many times and rolling my eyes.
It was a mess... but an entertaining mess.

 

It was?
When?
I must have missed that...

 

Watch the movie again, its in there. Quintessa practically spells it out, when she's giving Nemesis his assignment.

 

What was Cybertron actually trying to do with Earth and what happened to the Moon? Also how NASA scientist knew that was Cybertron?

 

Yeah but Bumblebee had no contact with Quintessa or the staff whatsoever. And again why does his voice lack total emotion?

 

If it was there then you should have no problem telling me where to look for it. Or when.

And "practically spells it out" don't cut it either. There's a fine line between reading between the lines and reading into something that's not there.

You make a lot of statements... like saying that it's strongly hinted at that Quintessa upgraded Megatron. Just because you assume that doesn't mean it was hinted at.