I kind of agree here. You can have an awesome movie and not need to squeeze different plots together like this.

And it seems like the writer's room had the right idea with the plots. But it was Bay and Lorenzo that wanted to put plots together like this.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I think you're right but I get the vibe the wwII stuff is not gonna be a major driving force in this film.

 

Again if this is true, I just don't like that..at all.. After all the criticism and everything riding on this film you would think they would chill.

I mean I really love all 4 of these films so far and am not ashamed to say that. THAT BEING SAID they have problems, they are bloated, and they can be too much at times for people who aren't as biased as I am

 

He is not lying...I don't think he is! But it was a brilliant story regardless even if he really made it up.

 

He got a bit of it right...

 

Except they aren't, they only seem like that in comparison to what is being released. The creator's story in 1 movie covers about the same ground the Infinity stone story has covered in 5 movies. The pacing difference is exactly why TF has covered so much ground in 5 movies when other franchises never seem to advance. People aren't used to having to keep up with this many plot points in a blockbuster, but that doesn't mean they should just call something a mess because they didn't want to keep track of everything going on; that's laziness and now almost every franchise is moving at a snail's pace. There's no reason to have a story that moves your narrative a couple of baby steps when you can have a story that moves it forward a couple of feet.

These ideas were combined for exactly this reason. It makes sense to take the history of the knights, the linked histories of the species and the origins of the transformers and just combine them into one story about the full history of the transformers, especially considering the creators of transformers are the main villains; they already tie to the knights, the origins of the transformers and even Earth's history. The TRF stuff relates to the conflict between the 2 species which ties to their shared history; all of which paints the story as an epic struggle between the two worlds.

Why wouldn't you combine these elements they work and make the story stronger and more epic. A simple story can be great but people seem to be forgetting that an ambitious story can work; just because you're trying to do a lot doesn't automatically mean you're story is a mess.

 

holy shit lmao!!!!!!

 

you're hilarious lmao

 

I think it was the King Arthur Knights through the ages crap + AOE part 2 "Prime gets reprogrammed" that were the two movies.

 

Thank you!I'm glad someone understands..I guess other movies don't do it just so they can make as many movies as possible lol

 

Every TF movie is the same basic structure on repeat - the only advancement in the story has come from TF;AOE in which it teased the idea of the Transformers creator. All other plot points or story developments either led nowhere or were ignored later or simply abandoned mid-story. Everything else has either been retconned or replaced during the previous movies - resulting in a total of 6 government/secret agencies all doing exactly the same thing, 6 or more flashbacks to the Transformers involvement with history that sets-up a crucial macguffin for the film, Megatron having died twice and been resurrected twice, Cybertron being destroyed once and been resurrected once with TF;TLK presumably now having it's destruction again, etc...

The TF movies have also sacrificed character development and turned the main hero everyone likes into a killing machine to the extent where him being brainwashed in TF;TLK seems pointless because he acts exactly the same as the other movies. We've gone from TF;2007 with the Autobots Vs Decepticon war now threatening Earth to TF;TLK with the Autobot Vs Decepticon war now threatening Earth. It's not escalated in scale or ideas it simply appears that way because we have a larger villain/villain army each movie despite them all having the same goal.

A planet sized threat is actually less practical, less interesting and less effective than the sun harvester in ROTF.

Meanwhile the MCU, given your example is them, have been developing the characters and setting up plot points that will become more important later on. None of the development in the MCU movies is wasted (other than for some of the villains, however they are mainly there to challenge the heroes) The plots they focus on always are either resolved by the end of the movie or clearly continued in the next movie. The MCU is developing characters so when massive world threatening events happen we know each character along with the strengths and weaknesses and we care for each and every one of them.

lol... really?

You think the MCU, a planned out movie series developing characters and plotlines with a clear focus is weaker that the TF movie universe where people are making nonsense up on the spot and doing the same basic structure for 5 movies in a row now?

 

Yeah, TF usually have multiple plot threads going on that are interesting, but not well managed. A layered story needs good execution otherwise it becomes a mess. Most Marvel movies build around a very simplistic plot, which makes them clearer to read and harder to botch. TF need to resign from multilayered plots or better their execution.

 

I hope what you said about 'two autobots' die wasn't true wong..because that would be a waste and I don't want that. They're quite likable (at least for me) and have personalities which the first trilogy is a little bit lacking.

 

Marvel absolutely has a formula it's called Iron Man. Our main hero is often a witty wisecracking jerk but also lovable, they are often selfish and end up in a scenario where they meet someone who acts as a mentor or moral compass. After a first act action scene often introducing the protagonist's hero identity, we often slow down focusing on their relationship with the love interest, who often isn't very close to them at first, more often than not they have a very Han and Leia relationship. Naturally they come to realize what they mean to each other. The villain is an evil version of the hero often sharing either a similar background or personality trait, this results in the villain usually becoming a dark mirror of the hero identity as well. This results in a last battle where the hero defeats the villain, representing them overcoming their own flaw often selfishness and becoming a better person.

Iron Man, Ant Man, Doctor Strange, Pretty much Thor and CA FA, IM 2 is pretty damn close. The other movie they make over and again is Avengers. Avengers, AOU and Guardians of the galaxy are the same movie. Guardians follows avengers step by step. Evil villain wants mystical artifact, group of different people are forced to work together who don't get along. They bicker and argue amongst themselves and ultimately their inability to work together results in evil villain getting the artifact. After crushing defeat heroes rally together after inspiring speech and fights villain and his army of faceless nooks. One of the villains is the sibling of the one of the heroes. You could rename this movie Avengers in space.

Now onto how well it's written. Tony gives up being IM to live a life with Pepper however in AOU he's IM again with no explanation and all the growth he went through in IM 3 is gone. Clint's entire arc in AOU was ignored just so he could be in the airport fight, Scott Lang's whole arc in Ant Man was thrown aside so he could be giant man in the airport fight. Banner's whole arc in IH was ignored, he came to terms with Hulk, and even liked it as the ending showed. Avengers ignores this he can't control Hulk, he still rejects it, IH may as well be erased from existence same with that scene implying Tony was working with Ross to form the avengers to go after hulk, considering IM 2 says he was rejected despite clearly joining the initiative at the end of IH.

Thor the Bifrost is destroyed and Thor will never be able to return, until the next solo where it's just fixed magically, why because leaving it destroyed became inconvenient. Thor and Jane two movies of development their relationship is tossed in the trash. Drax's foolish actions nearly get everyone killed and he realizes how foolish his vendetta is, until the end where he just changes his target. They sure paid off Loki usurping Odin nothing like him being exposed in the opening sections with no exploration of what his rule was actually like. They paid off Mandarin alright, two movies hinting at the ten rings only to toss it aside for yet another revenge on Tony Stark scheme.

Yeah great writing I admit it's impressive, by how spectacularly incompetent it is despite it being supposedly planned. How on Earth has Steve, Tony or Natasha's arcs even remotely built to IW; they have no idea Thanos even exists, they don't really know about what's going on with the Infinity stones. They are barely tied to the culmination the franchise has been building to and they are the main characters, how the hell does that happen!? The only reason you don't notice this is because they use the fun and lovable nature of the characters to distracts you from noticing everything they discard for no reason.

 

At what point did he actually stop being Iron Man? Sure, he got the surgery to remove the life-threatening shrapnel from his chest, but that doesn't mean for a second he stopped being Iron Man. He even says at the end of the film he'll always be Iron Man when he throws the old arc reactor into the sea.

He basically says he got really bored in retirement during that fight.

The end of Ant Man specifically sets up Falcon wanting to meet Ant Man, and Falcon and Cap are total bros so Ant Man being brought on was far from being out of left field.

Yeah, somebody apparently hasn't seen the trailers for Thor 3, because guess who's also in it.

Well, yeah, actually, I think they kind of are trying to ignore IH. That film pre-dates the MCU project even launching with Iron Man 1 and they switched actors anyway.

1) Loki's question about how much bifrost Odin had to gather to send Thor to Earth pretty much answers that question.

2) Holy shit how is their relationship in the trash when Thor leaves his home for Earth, specifically to be with Jane in the second film?

That's the joke!

I'm pretty sure that also will be covered in Thor 3, even if briefly.

I'm also pretty sure - though I can't recall where - they implied that the real Mandarin is pissed about the whole affair.

Yeah, they know nothing about the infinity stones, because Thor crashing through Tony's ceiling to raise Vision and then explaining the infinity stones to everybody back in AoU certainly doesn't mean somebody explained the infinity stones to those people. Additionally, while not direct, Thanos was pretty much tied to the first Avengers film and pretty much got excited when his assistant warned him trying to fight Earth would be 'courting death'...which is something he legitimately tries in the comics to the point death herself wants nothing to do with him.

Or because they manage independent stories with overarching, branching large narratives. Like comic book issues.

 

Yeah but, bloody good films they are!

 

You spent alot more time on your reply than I did!  

 

I'm still trying to understand why he wants to discuss Marvel films so much on a Transformers board.

 

every fucking time! Hence my one sentence reply!