Why do some TF fans don't collect Masterpieces? What's ya'll reason?

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  1. kjata

    kjata Well-Known Member

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    Primarily cost, but also because I don't want to have to keep buying things in two different scales.
     
  2. DBarricade

    DBarricade General Nutcase

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    They won't get the kinds of value the old G1 toys do because toys these days are produced in far greater numbers than those of the '80's. Collectible? Maybe. Will there be some eager to collect the MPM line? Of course. But I don't know if it has to do with "demand" so much as "the first movie will be a decade old this summer, so let's throw together something to celebrate it", and so it may not catch on. Heck, I'm still not sure if BW MP's will continue long after 2017.

    Honestly though, I don't think anyone should be in this hobby to be trying to make an investment with toys.

    I'm still sure that people's reasons for not collecting MP's is entirely their own, by the way, though price and personal value factor in.
     
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  3. herugrim

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    They are too expensive and hard to get. Hasbro doesn't even import half of them.

    Also while I'm a fan of G1, I am not a Geewunner. The show is very dated as are the designs. I prefer updated designs.
     
  4. franpincho

    franpincho NOT a FT Only collector

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    I don't know. G1 MP is all I collect with the rare additions of some "premium" figures or different lines (all based on G1, that is, such as the Ultimetal line and the Other Mega Action Prime that just came out).

    Nothing else, as far as transformers are concerned, exists to me. Sunbow or fail.
     
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  5. Canbot

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    Perhaps not if you look at the toys from yesterday that didn't have TV shows to back them up (I'm thinking original GI Joe and Barbie, for example), where by the time collectors decide that something is valuable years afterward, few of the toys survived in any decent kind of condition, and then you get actual scarcity...which then can dictate the price for any piece. But in your example, I can't think of one toyline that wasn't a mainstream hit in the first place that has high value now on the secondary market (I'm kinda ignorant on that, because I'm a TF fan, not a general toy fan). But I can think of popular toys that were popular, died off, then got popular again, but the worth of the toys has more or less stayed the same. But for something to truly enter the stratosphere as far as toy collecting values later on goes, it has to have been popular, very popular...best case being not a lot of toy supply, but a lot of buyer demand. Even the most expensive G1 toys (and I'm assuming that G1 are the most expensive collectibles in the TF world, I'm sure other lines have their hidden gems too) are not nearly as much as say, some Disney stuff or Barbie stuff...simply due to that wide-reach in pop culture at some time.

    Of course toys shouldn't be looked at as an investment. But it's nice to know that you can flip your stuff years down the road, so long as it is in good condition, and get your money back. That's exactly what happened with my Leader movie bots, and I'm sure it will only go up in the years to follow. BW MPs, while having a fervent following in some circles, doesn't have the G1 reach, nor does it have the reach of the Bay movies. I don't see the Movie MPs keeping their value any more than regular MP line toys, and that's fine, but that's not what I'm talking about: I'm talking about the ROTF era toys that just get more and more collectible as the years go on. The people that kept those toys are going to see good returns. It's happening already, and I see no reason why it shouldn't continue. Well...unless Hasbro starts to re-release exact replicas down the road of those toys that are currently high in value: Leader Starscream, Prime, Ironhide, Megatron, Jetfire. If Hasbro does that, and doesn't changes the colours much, you'll see a dip much like what occurred with the G1 reissues. But those originals will still be a lot more valuable than people care to admit today. If that means anything to anybody, and I'm sure it does. Whether or not we agree that toys as an investment is a good idea (it's not, lol), it gives people a good feeling to know they can get back something from their initial investment that has already paid itself back through enjoyment of ownership of the toy.
     
  6. BIOMEC

    BIOMEC Terrorcon, aka "Ratchetman"

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    I buy MPs if they look cool, only Megatron v2 has caught my attention

    I prefer the official MPM and the new IDW MP from 3P
     
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    I buy the odd masterpiece (I have 20th Anniversary DVD Edition MP01, Hasbro MP10, Grimlock, StarScream and Soundwave and MP18B (how the hell was that not an instant sell out? it was BLUE BLUESTREAK!!!).

    Mostly I'm A generations collector, while I find myself tempted by various MPs I think I'm dissuaded from collecting them seriously because
    1. the recent trend toward sunbow accuracy I consider a significant mistake, and the toys look less good as a result Comic takes precedence over toy (in cases like Ratchet and ironhide, and Toy over comic in cases like Prowl who's character model was not dissimilar from the toy) and cartoon is so far behind those two it's not even in the running.
    2. There will never be a Masterpiece Treadshot, or Circuit or Rollout or Pincer or Longtooth. My collection should include every original toyline character (not particularly interested in late japanese lines but euro and G1.5 certainly)
    those are probably my main considerations
     
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  8. The Names Jon

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    For most I would assume price, space, or a mixture of both. I have probably at least 10 grand worth of MPs official and 3rd party and sometimes I stop and think like damn, was this worth it?

    Then I step back and look at the whole S1 Decepticon cast together and completely ignore the price and spacial issues. :D 
     
  9. Strife

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    I collect select Masterpieces. The "must haves" and once in a lifetime ones. Things like masterpiece Star Saber or Megatron. I mean, when are we ever going to ever get a perfect "gun" Megatron ever again? Or a "perfect" version of a semi-obscure lead character from a 30 year old cartoon that only aired in Japan?

    What I don't do is what some people do, which is try to get the entire G1 cast in masterpiece form. For that, I do CHUG. I think that's an unrealistic goal to do in Masterpiece. Sure, you could do the 84/85 and 86 Autobots and most of the 84/85 Decepticons. But then you're going to hit a very expensive completionist wall. Why? Combiners. Animal characters. That sort of thing.

    We've already seen some of this with the Masterpiece Devastator attempts. They're... weird. They don't exactly fit Masterpiece. In fact, UW Devastator does it the best. FansToys will probably do it just fine, but I doubt Takara will ever make a pass it it. And even if they did Devastator, are we going to go down the path with all the combiners? And what happens when we get to Metroplex, Fortress Maximus, Trypticon and the like? We're already seeing people buy Oversized KOs of things like Feral Rex to stratch that itch, but Feral Rex, while awesome, is not Masterpiece in style or intent. It's CHUG, and making it larger doesn't change that.

    I think getting select Masterpieces is a very worth goal, but I'm not quite sure the point of scrambling to get a $70 "Masterpiece Smokescreen" serves, or something like that. It strikes me as a brick in an effort that is doomed to fail.
     
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  10. Gir

    Gir I want to be a mongoose

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    I was collecting them when they were one or so per year. The fact they are coming out quicker and most are imports have priced me out really. That and they've put out new versions of most of the figures I have (seekers, Prime, Megatron, Rodimus). I'd like to collect them but I've decided to just focus on titan wars / classics / generations / etc...)
     
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    As an MP collector, the same reasoning is there for why I don't collect CHUG, CW, TR or any other TF-branded product: the price. Sure, these products are 10X cheaper than MP, but the money is spent on a better, overall quality product experience.
     
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    I think G1 designs haven't aged well for the most part.
     
  13. G1Prowl

    G1Prowl Prick, apparently

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    Price is the most important factor. Space is second. Third is the roster as I know I'll be dead before they get to everyone. Fourth is the permeation of KOs on the market. All this combines to leave me a CHUG collector rather than MP. Granted, all the Diaclone releases have me tempted beyond belief, but at the same time I know what it's gonna cost to make that dream a reality.
     
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    Mostly cost. I love the Takara stuff don't get me wrong but geez 135 for Inferno and Grapple. The cone head jets have gotten outrageous. Also I have heard of some horrible QC issues as well.
     
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    Price, aesthetic, but most of all the "fun" factor. I had quite a few MP's, but I wasn't playing with then nearly as much as I was playing with my CHUG's. I sold most of my MP's and continued on with my CHUG's. Plus I didn't care for the super cartoon look once the new MP designer took over around MP Ironhide.

    The CHUG's are just more fun for me to mess around with. And I grew up on G1. Hell, I saw the'86 movie in the theater!
     
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  16. MasterScale

    MasterScale Loose, comes with baggage...

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    There's actually a good number off MP scaled toys I want, but for the moment other life priorities and the scale are the main reasons. And I actually prefer TF's that scale to a voyager size OP and - separately - legends scaled toys are my collecting focus. (with all that in mind, does anyone know how to change your screen name?)
     
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    Don't care for the size, price point, and, most importantly, I have no interest at all in the bland simplicity of the original cartoon aesthetic.
     
  18. grimlock1972

    grimlock1972 Optimus, serving up the primest of ribs since 1984

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    I have a few the most I spent on one was $175 a few years ago on a MISB MP-08 Grimlock. I also have the Hasbro MP Skywarp ( old version) that was a Walmart exclusive that cost me about $60. the last one i bought is MP Prowl the Hasbro one , only got that as TRU had him on a black Friday or cyber Monday deal for just over $40 i think. I have no intentions of getting any others unless i can get lucky and get a deal along the lines of the price of what I paid for Skywarp. As a whole MPs have become to expensive for me to collect on my modest budget.
     
  19. Menasor

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    Like most other people it really came down to price. The dollar sucks up here so as cool as some of them look, when I see the price tags hitting $150-180 then realize I still have to convert that and add shipping, I quickly lose interest. Neat toys, but nowadays I would rather spend that money elsewhere than on TF's.
     
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    I don't collect MP because:
    - Price
    - Space

    But for some reasons, I bought MP-10 (Hasbro version) thru TRU exclusive release here in our country.
    I know at first it was expensive. Around $100 or $150 SRP (convert to Philippine Peso SRP "then" it was 7,000php).

    Reasons:
    - It's Optimus Prime (you can't go wrong owning a OP toy)
    - It's OP in his modern MP iteration, the toy engineering aspect.
    - My 1st "holy grail" in my small TF collection
    - It's a complete package (with trailer, accessories and spike)

    So he's the ONLY MP in my TF collection.
    I want to own MP-36 to compliment my MP-10 but..

    MP-36 is freakin expensive. It's almost I can buy CW Devy or a TR Fort Max in it.
    I guess what makes MP-36 expensive aside the complex engineering, is also the electronic parts.

    IMHO, MP-36 can live without the electronic parts.
    Previous MPs sold without elec.parts.
     
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