I also said i was hoping we would actually see some TRansformers you know Transform. We didn't get a single one smh, im kinda worried. One of the coolest things is seeing those cars/vehicles change into robots or vice versa. I hope they haven't forgot the name of the movie, It's like the fast and furious franchise they don't even race anymore

 

I actually do really appreciate your trying to explain this to me. And I can tell you really like these movies and really give them a lot more of a chance than I do. And I will admit that all day.
But the things you're telling me I guess fit for this universe's Optimus Prime, but the things that make Optimus Prime Optimus Prime is that he values all life, that he doesn't just abandon people because he's mad at them and throwing a hissy fit. He's Optimus Prime because he always stands for what's right, he never gives up, he believes in the freedom of all sentient beings, and I can't believe that he's going to say to any race "F*** you, we are out!"
But I mean that's not even the worst thing about these movies. In the third movie he cuts his way through like 10 guys in Chicago and then gets stuck in a bunch of cables that he can't get out of without the help of the Wreckers?
He can apparently just rocket off the planet at any time, despite needing a ship to get to the moon, or while he's on the planet needing to transform into a car to drive wherever. (I know in the first movie he and the others crashed on earth, but I assumed they had ejected from a ship somewhere at least.)
He beats Grimlock into submission instead of appealing to his heroism (these dinobots were like ancient cybertron warriors, but are like rabid pets when awoken?????)
He beat Sentinel Prime down to his knees with Megatron's help, and then executes both Sentinel and Megatron when Megatron was basically offering him a hand in peace!
This makes Optimus Prime a psychopath! Whoever this guy in these movies is that they are calling Optimus Prime, this is not Optimus Prime.
Even Peter Cullen says he's really uncomfortable with the things that they have him say as Optimus Prime. (Wish I had time to dig up the source, but don't right now)
From his very first profile written by Bob Budiansky, its said that Optimus Primes only real weakness is his compassion! That tells me that hes DEFINITELY not someone who will blow the living hell out of a human being at point blank range no matter how much he feels that human deserves it.
That's what separates the greatest heroes from the anti-heroes and the outright villains.
Although I admit this is just my interpretation.
But icons like prime should inspire us to not give in to our darkest rationalizations. Instead of showing us its ok or justified for any reason.
The thing that makes Prime great is that when it comes to his compassion, he has no limit.

And that's my biggest problem with these movies, as they totally get these guys wrong.
This is just the beginning of my issues with the characterization of one character.
Lets not even get into the lack of Tone, cohesiveness of story, scripting, OTHER characters, the gross misuse of retcons and complete neglegence of consistency.

There are some things to like about these movies, yes.
But feel I can't just settle for THIS, when I know there's so much more and better to be cultivated from this super cool franchise!

 

Something from the official description of the plot got my attention! It goes like this: "Saving our world falls upon the shoulders of an unlikely alliance: Cade Yeager (Mark Wahlberg); Bumblebee; an English Lord (Sir Anthony Hopkins); and an Oxford Professor (Laura Haddock)." I don't think they actually meant that right there or at least not in that sense. Come on Bumblebee and Cade is definitely a LIKELY alliance, whereas the unlikely describes the idea of Megatron teaming up with the Autobots. At least that's what I'm whilling to believe.

 

Optimus couldnt't rocket off the Earth at any time. He got the ability to fly when he pulled out the sword in the ship and upgraded himself. Could have been explained better, I guess, but I managed to piece two and two together the first time I watched AoE so I've always been cool with it.

Oh and he killed Sentinel and Megatron in DotM because they were bound to kill him anyway. Megatron's "truce" never sounded sincere to me at all.

Yes, he's not like other Optimuses--even you said it yourself.

IMO he's the best one because he has flaws and limits. I was so fuckin' relieved in AoE when he was all like "fuck y'all" because all throughout the first three movies the humans kept treating him and his bots like garbage. Yet even by the end of AoE, he does the good thing and saves the day again. Why? Well, maybe it's that compassion thing you mentioned. Under all that badass hardassness, he still has a soft spot. That's why I love this version of OP so much.

 

Hmmmm, interesting point about the upgrade letting him rocket into space.
The trailer makes it look like he didn't make it very far though, and ran outta gas around Jupiter or something? Lol
Well, I'm not gonna begrudge anyone liking this version of Optimus, I mean opinion is subjective and I try not to be a troll, especially to my fellow fans.  
But I do wish I could get on board with this movies. The first one is fairly solid, but I see too many things that bother me in them.

Anyway, always nice to have a chat and try and see the other point of view.  
Thanks man!

 

Still think ARRIVAL TO EARTH tops it!

 

Bravemaximike

• G1 cartoon prime mowed down a bunch of drones who were charging him but not shooting and thats after he was left for dead by Megatron (and rebuilt) when he was Orion Pax, he also had a jungle shot up to clear a path after the autobots lost the abiltiy to fly.
• If you watch carefully Shockwave fires at Prime and his attack actually tangles him up and forces him to crash into the building. Unlike the 1998 Godzilla who cant pull free from a bridge where the Japanese one can. 
• Grimlock challenges Prime as he did in G1, only by proving his worth can Optimus lead the Dinobots. Grimlock dosent tolerate weakness and hates Cons even more despite being tricked by them on a few occasions.
• Megatron was looking at Sentinal at the time and actually shoots Optimus as he charges. The AOE plot of Megatrons revival is based on Transformers Animated.
• Optimus Prime like any hero has a breaking point again even in G1 he at times would lose his temper. (\"OUT OF THE WAY HOT ROD\")
• In DOTM the humans are disintergrated by the Cons, Prime fires an indirect attack knocking Fraiser   off his feet and he is killed by the debris rather than a direct hit.
• He isnt the first hero to reach breaking point, still try to keep it together and make the hardest decision ie allow a inocent to be killed or take out the bad guy.
• G1 prime was about to take out a unarmed Megs.
• Which version of G1 Prime or G2 etc of the character(s) do you refer to each version and media etc there is changes to them.
• Last Knight Prime is also under the influence of Dark Energon rather than Megatron (Transformers Prime).

 

 

While there is logic to what you say, Hasbro and Paramount would not be prepping 5 movies for the film universe if they didn't feel their return on investment was high.

BO is a great barometer to the success of a franchise but it isn't the whole picture. Merchandising, licensing, commercial use are all a part of the makeup and its normally lost on people.

RotF may have been the peak on box office, the brand itself has grown substantially since.

The TV and film versions of trabsformers has always been a glorified toy commercial. The fact its been successful off of that has been remarkable.

Until I see a shift to a more mature storytelling, I see these affairs as monster truck events with drama added for flavouring. I think by now the public sees it that way too and still appreciate it for what it is.

 

So I showed this a couple of years ago but now with THE LAST KNIGHT coming out it started giving me a transformers vibe more than ever before!

 

I get the feeling that the huge thing in the Water (Omega lock maybe) will be shaped like the symbol we keep seeing.. like a cross with a circle around it. It just feel like it keeps pointing to it. Could all be in my head, but still...

 

Tf hentai in the making yo.

 

What/where are those supposed to be?

 

Perhaps Optimus is now able to control himself .

 

the thing in the water is this ship on the poster.

 

That would most likely be the Omega Lock, many signs seem to point toward that direction.

 

A monument that represents the foundation of my country.

 

I just rememberd one episode where Optimus and Megatron are fighting, then Megatron has the upper hand and the Decepticons run inside a ship and they fly away, Optimus was yelling "Megatronnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!" in a really pissed of way then he shouted at Sideswipe for refusing to give his rocket pack to him.

 

There's a difference between shooting DRONES who've already killed you and your best friend and girlfriend, and shooting a human at point blank with your giant robot gun. Doing that is tantamount to severely beating a small child who punched your little brother, there were other options dude, especially if you're optimus freaking prime.
Also, mowing down trees, albeit bad, are not the same as shooting a human at point blank with your giant robot gun.

As for getting caught in those cables, Optimus had well establisbed by that point that both his arms turn into giant Orange swords, that don't seem to have trouble cutting through anything. It was stupid.

In G1, optimus proved his worth as leader to Grimlock by saving his life and showing good leadership qualities, even after Grimlock outright betrayed him to Megatron, thus also showing compassion. He did not bitch slap grimlock into submission.

If Megatron revival in ApE is based on his revival in Animated, I see it loosely at best. Besides, Megatron didnt even transform I in that movie so much as remorph, which is some dumbass cheat In my humble opinion, so please don't get me started on that.
Anyway, Prime would've died at Sentinels hand if not for Megatron, yet he executes them both. That's a reeeeally dark horrible thing to do, despite their history. I mean, Sentinel was like a father, and Optimus even at least showed remorse in Megatron dying in the first movie, even calling him brother. Then he iust murders him outright at the end of DOTM? After Megatron more or less saved him???
Thats just fucked up.

Yes, Prime loses his temper, like we all do. But what seperates him is that he doesn't always act on it, Especially if it has to do with shooting humans at point blank with your big ass robot gun. That is a huge difference than telling your overzealous subordinate to get out of the way when he's in the way. After all, he didnt lose his temper and shoot thru hot rod or anything, in fact he showed restraint, even compassion, by taking the hit from Megatron to make sure Hot Rod wasn't hurt.

I'll have to take your word that the debris killed Frasier and not the shot from the gun, but considering Prime was actively trying to kill humans by that point, even premeditating it and as much as saying so!, I'm gonna have to disagree with anyone who says Prime didnt fully intend to murder Frasier when he aimed his giant robot gun at him and pulled the trigger.

Yes, he isn't the first hero to reach a breaking point. Absolutely.
But the thing that should always make Prime stand out is that he always chooses self sacrifice before BREAKING!!! That's what like his whole deal is. That's what makes him special. Hes far more scrupulous than nearly any other fictional hero out there, and should be handled as such by people making media with him.

As for him about to TAKE OUT G1 megs, thats a little up in the air. He probably was gonna take him out as much as he took out Soundwave or Thrust or any of the other Decepticons in the same seen. And again, theres a huuuuuge difference between shooting an armored robot of equal size and strength to incapacitate them, compared to shooting a tiny fleshling.
Also, he didn't pull the trigger. Biiiiig difference there. So even with the intent to shoot, the intent to kill is far more dubious when comparing the two situations.

For sake of argument, as for which version of Prime I'm referring to, I'm mostly considering the most iconic, the original, the grand-daddy of them all, and his actions and personality as depicted in his original tech-spec.
(And I'm pretty sure you're now going to dig thru that to try and point out such and such difference or make some case to sway opinion or whatever. I mean, feel free to, but I have a feeling we could keep this up all day. My biggest point that I wanted to make was that these movies suck, and how they handle the character of Prime is just one glaring reason why. Is it ok to like movies that suck??? Sure! I like a few! Or at parts of many! But its one thing to do that, its another to pretend they don't suck.)

As for Last Knight Prime being under influence of Dark Energon, I'm betting the same thing. I hope to Primus its just that, cuz these movies have enough problems even without the character assassination job they've done on poor old Optimus up to this point.
I don't know, and I don't care. I'm gonna wait for a highlight reel to hit youtube one day cuz I can't sit thru another headache like these movies and especially pay money for it, ever again.
Its fine if you do. Thats cool, please go and enjoy or whatever. But I can't get behind these movies. They're just.... Just terrible.

 

Yeah, and that was awesome! He was that determined to stop Megatron from getting back to Cybertron with enough energon to come back and conquer the galaxy, or whatever. And he needed a rocket pack like really quick, cuz he was chasing a spaceship.
And also, Sideswipe didn't refuse at all, he just hesitated.
Because as even Jazz said, it was a crazy gamble. And prime was likely to get himself killed.
But Prime is awesome like that, and had to do Everything he could to stop Megatron.

Its not the same as, "I'm gonna kill the humans!" And then shooting one with a giant robot gun at point blank!

Do you see the difference?

 

I know, But it reminds me of this (sorry if I'm not allowed to link from this particular site)



And the thing with "No Sacrifice, No Victory" written around it

EDIT: This....