the complete marvel cinematic universe thread

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by Crazy Ramjetty, Jun 1, 2012.

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    Eh, about a third of those are ones that I actually agree with that are also easily fixable. For starters, the comedy problem and the Avengers-causing-their-own-troubles problem could be half-won by scaling back Stark's presence in the rest of the MCU, especially since Parker is now officially in the game - it means they can afford to make Lang a less jokey character too, since I saw him for a brief time as possibly being the MCU's Spidey substitute. And on that note, considering that Infinity War is coming, there's literally no better time for Disney and Marvel to grow a pair and start whittling down the ranks of its big guns - seriously, if the kiddies could stomach losing Han Solo, we can kill an established Avenger now. Also, a good director would be able to know or figure out how to either work with or get around any constraints imposed on them by Marvel and Feige and still leave their mark on the MCU.

    Another portion of the list, well, I may agree with them but I don't think there's anything you can do about them, particularly the characters-having-no-edge and Netflix ones. Netflix-originated shows tend to have a more mature appeal across the board as it is, and as far as the cinematic half of the 'edge' problem, chances are you're likely to sell more toys to the broader (read: potentially younger) audience of the movies if your hero isn't a complete ^$$hole.

    Then there's another chunk of the list that I fail to see as actually being "problems". The inconsistencies thing doesn't really hold water - the movies have made it fairly clear that Banner only has control of the Hulk when he brings the change upon himself instead of being externally provoked, and Stark's IM3 armor was pretty knocked about by the time the truck hit it; and as far as the Marvel's-yet-to-produce-a-true-classic garbage, hell, it took Superman: The Movie 30 years to be considered classic and even THEN you got purists coming out of the woodwork griping about crap like "Krypton's made of ice chunks, Clark's too nerdy and Luthor's too campy!" And as far as catching up with everything that's going on, that's entirely the option of the viewer.
     
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    Lists like that are sort of pointless. Its clear that the majority of audiences are just fine with how Marvel are handling things. Evidence are consistent high box office returns and how all other studios are trying to copy their method. You know they are doing things right of a even the 'worst' Marvel film isn't outright hated by most people. If it isn't broke....
     
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    15. I agree.
    14. I definitely agree.
    13. I agree. Most movies these days have incredibly unremarkable scores.
    12. I agree. It sort of falls in line with the bit about origin stories. Nobody's really unlikable. Everyone's very safe, and if they do have layers, don't expect to see much of them outside their debut film. Cap is actually my favourite because there's no pretense to him being "edgy." He's an idealist championing outdated wholesome views in a cynical world.
    11. I definitely agree. The movies could have great characters if they didn't a) water everyone down like the above point or b) kill off every fucking non-Loki villain in their debut film.
    10. Eh, I don't disagree, but this is something you have to expect with a cinematic universe. I find that, on average, you're not expected to know too much that isn't reiterated in the shows/movies for you.
    9. Oh God do I agree. Why even bother hiring directors with a voice if it's going to be muffled by the bigwigs?
    8. This wouldn't be a problem if it was more of an issue in-universe. Hell, how was this not a huge plot point in Civil War? I especially agree with the Avengers spending too much time on big missions, and not enough time sticking up for the little guys. You need that smaller scale level of intimacy with the public.
    7. Winter Soldier came damn close, had it not gone big dumb action at the end. This is a subjective one, though.
    6. I agree. It's a problem you have when you put so many varrying powers along with each other. The airport fight in Civil War should've been over in seconds with the Vision flying around.
    5. I agree. I don't think death is needed to sell a story, but with everything they go through, it would certainly help remind us that the characters are mortal and not invincible movie characters.
    4. I agree. This is, yet again, another bad side-effect of such far forward planning. Nobody's allowed to significantly change because they have to maintain a status quo for the big team-ups. I fully expect Infinity War to fizzle Battle of the Five Armies style. If it doesn't, sweet, but I'm prepared.
    3. I agree.
    2. I super fucking agree.
    1. And the biggest flaw of them all.

    Overall a really solid list that echoes a lot of what I've felt and those I know have felt. I haven't been legitimately interested in a Marvel Movie since Winter Soldier.

    You know, the Transformers movies still have strong box office returns...
     
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    only thing I wanted to chime in on from that list, is that Black Panther can run that fast cause of the vibranium bouncing the vibrations of BP's feet hitting the ground and speeding him up, like when you run on a trampoline, but much more grounded, balanced, natural and safe.
     
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    What? That was never explained. Also, doesn't vibranium absorb that kind of force, not deflect it? Wasn't the very first example of the sheild's use stopping bullets dead in their tracks? I can understand using the sheild's curve to redirect things, but what you just described makes no sense.
     
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    Let me reword, the vibranium does absorb the force of impact, doing so would provide BP to use less weight on each step as there isn't has much force needed to propel foward, which makes for lighter footing and faster step rates.

    You are right about vibranium does absorb though, but for BP "Beyond that he uses vibranium in the soles of his boots that allows him to survive a fall of several stories and, if given enough momentum, the Panther can also scale walls or skim across water." wikipedia.

    I believe its just the kinetic energy absorbed via vibranium just energizes the suit.

    But semantics aside, the reason he can run that fast is the vibranium in his suit.
     
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    Isn't Black Panther enhanced by some kind of herb? That's why I figured he could move so fast.

    I can't access the list you guys are talking about because that page makes my computer freeze up. :lol 
     
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    Ya that is also true, the Heart-Shape Herb, which states it levels all attributes to super-soldier level.
     
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    Yeah, I thought so.
     
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    Namor being a "mutant" should not affect the rights whatsoever, since his character predates the mutant concept in Marvel comics by decades. Even though he appeared briefly as part of the X-cast, he is much more known as a solo character, and has appeared in more issues as an Avenger than he has even within the pages of Fantastic Four. I don't see Marvel Studios losing this one.

    Anyway, it's great news, if true. Namor is one of my all-time favorite Marvel characters, and his original solo series (well, the 'Tales To Astonish' reprint of his original series) was the first comic series I ever collected in back issues as a kid.

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    Sub Mariner predates Aquaman by a good while, and has always been a better, more interesting character (no slam on Aquaman, who I also enjoy on the rare occasions he's done well).
     
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    As long as Namor drops the green fish-scale underoos and wears the black suit. And socks Thanos in the jaw.

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    I wish he'd appeared as Captain America's teammate with the Invaders, that would have been cool.
     
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    I'm happy about a Namor movie being made as I love that character more than Aquaman.
    I've said before, that and I also think Luke Evans should play Namor as he looks just like him (and he's a great actor) he can play cocky as he's playing Gaston in the live action Beauty and the Beast this month.
    Can someone put a side by side of Luke Evans and Namor I can't do it not sure how and iPad won't work with me.