your makingnan assumption

Ill be fine with a reboot after then current story is done [as i doubt TLK will tye everything up]

But who the fuck cares one sports car is as good as the other, he could be a gremlin for all that it actualy maters as longnas his robot made has the esentai6l samurai athsteti.

 

And when will THAT story end, hmm? The entire idea of the TFCU is that the story will never end. A constant stream of sequels to a story many have given up on.

It's been ten years since the movies began. Not even G1 lasted this long. How much longer should people be forced to wait for the continuity reboot to at least see if something new will tickle their fancy?

Are you telling me that Drift stops being Drift when he turns into a car? Because that's entirely my point - the alt. mode is not at all a reflection of the character it's supposed to be. Or is a Samurai, to you, a multi-ton, gas guzzling European super car that can never reach full potential because it literally self-destructs otherwise? And gets totaled if it so much as gets into a fender bender with a gate?

 

................Wow, with that being said it's safe to presume that some of the biggest diehard Bay-fans have no real standards when it comes to the atl-mode designs in these films. Yet still get flustered because some of us do. Talk about perspective.

Hahahaa! Good one!    

 

youll wait untill the story is done and they decide they want tonrebrand just like every one dose when their franchise enters a phase you dont like, your not specail in this regard.

I dont like thenaligned contiuinty but iam stuck with it till it goes away and if it dosent then i atkeast have options

i'am telling you it dosent mater what car he turns into cause he's still drift

 

Trukk not munkkyy!

 

That doesn't even address my question. What if there isn't another full change in the franchise? This is the direction Hasbro's been heading ever since aligned was supposed to be some multi-branching continuity thing so they could avoid having to start from scratch ever again.

Maybe you need to consider that some stories simply will never be finished. The franchise can't afford to just turn into The Young and The Restless in terms of never actually having final plot conclusion.

And what are those other options besides the movies?

So he could turn into a a taco selling food van and still be Drfit? Or maybe a backhoe? Or even the Edsel? Hell, let's say the Striker Z, even - clearly the idea that they're even still characters when in alt. mode and those alt. modes should be a reflection of the characters since they can change said alt. modes at whim can not exist in what you are implying is important about the films.

 

There will be a conclusion to the current story if they add more after that is a diffrent question.

earth wars, rid, the machina series, idw

You have options

indont knownwhat you think om implying but iam flat out stating that drifts alt mode is irrellvant.

The bugatti reprsents drift cause that is simplly what he turns into, the conection isncreated from there. In drifts case the only realnrequirment is that it goes some what fast and that its sleek.

No one saw the movie ans went "a bugati is a european car whybdose the alien samurai robot turn into it, my suspension of disbelife is DEDTROYED" well at least no one who wasn't looking for nitpicks

 

Unless Paramount goes belly up first.

No, I was asking you, since here it doesn't make sense you list RID when you already said you hated aligned. Earth Wars is the mobile freemium (IIRC) game, the machina series is probably the one thing in this franchise people hate more than the movies on average, and the G1-based IDW comics.

That's...not a lot of variety

And this is exactly the problem. You can't just shove characters into any given alt. mode if there isn't a subtle but strong connection to what those characters are in terms of traits. The car is still the character and you act like this isn't true.

Samurai were not fast or sleek. Also he's not a Bugatti anymore so...yeah, argument sunk.

You do understand that nitpicking about that kind of shit is what we do here on A TRANSFORMERS FAN FORUM, right?

 

While iam sure youbwoukd enjoy that its not gonna happen, studios with actualnflops are going strong , and paramount is still cleaning the fuck up with the tf movies no matter how you try and spin it

It actualy is most franchises dont even have that. And if you dont like those tough you got to wait, your not specaik

you both can and they have 100 times befor and 100 after

and katanas couldnt cut through boulders, they myths andd iconorgaphy trump realisim, popular culture veiw the samurai as fast and sleek able to cut down multiple enmies and sheat their blade faster then the eye can see.

You are using a bullshit argument hear and you know it

dosent meannits not stupid and that youncan't be called out on it.

Just because you feel its a big deal dosent make it one, and while you can argue the oposite is also true, keep in mind no one makes fun of fan boys for NOT obsessing about things

 

Dude, I'm not kidding, Paramount did not do well last year with it's big films.

We've been waiting. Ten years. Why do movie fans get to hog the franchise for literally a third of its existence?

No, they really haven't. Outside of the movies, of course. I'm not surprised given you don't understand why Drift being non-Japanese cars while being a Japanese warrior is a major issue. Like, seriously, just look at ROTF Bludgeon - they got THAT right down to him being a Type 90 Japanese tank!

...those are ninjas.

So now you're just flat out insulting me because I'm not backing down?

Again, you're insulting me for doing something on a fansite for Transformers. 

You're telling me that something as basic as key character attributes are not a big deal? In a franchise where, above all else, the entire fucking point is about robots who turn into vehicles? Alt. mode choice is critical to the look and subtle character traits of Transformers, I.E. Jazz always goes for a stylish alt. mode because he wants to look cool, so he's always going to go for a Porsche or some snappy coupe over a four door sedan or a hatchback.

Furthermore, alt. mode association improves character depth on a whole deeper level. One you evidently are refusing to acknowledge exists.

This has nothing to do with 'fanboyism', it's about legitamtely good character development and writing. Transforming is the entire core concept of this franchise and the impression I get is you only regard it as a mere afterthought.

 

I've been watching G1 since I was 8 years old sonny Jim, and what you're describing is not what I've been watching! I think you're watching the Bayverse movies and projecting those onto G1, which, I assume, you do not watch very often! Optimus has never killed another being intentionally, no matter which version you're talking about, until that scene in DOTM. "One shall stand, one shall fall" does not equate to, "One shall live, one shall die" no matter how you try and twist it.

Oh, and Optimus is not a soldier. Orion Pax (look it up if you need to) was a regular guy doing a regular job before he was pulled into a war he didn't want to be part of. He took the role on because that's just who he is; he's an heroic leader who will fight for the rights of every being, not just the Autobots/Cybertrons.

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings."

Also, I have to say, I don't know if English is your first language, but the more heated you get, the more difficult it is to understand you, so you might want to take a breath between Trump-style posts so you can construct a sentence that others can understand.

My biggest beef with movie Drift isn't that he's a Veyron (because that's a spectacular car!), it's that the damnable toy they made wasn't a tripple-changer! Why put a tripple-changer in a film and then release the same character twice, each with just one alt. mode? That was just stupid! They could have remoulded the T30 Springer to look more or less like a 21st century car and the chopper mode would have been fine as it was. Still call it Drift if you want, paint it blue for all I care, but make it a bloody tripple-changer!

(I say all that as I've no connection to the comic books, but I can see why a fan of those would be miffed at what happened to Drift.)

 

I think it really is the last movie for Bay. My theory: With the new writing team, they are going to deviate stylistically and tonally from Michael Bay's. The future storylines are going to more in line with modern comic movies and be more space fantasy than the grounded reality that Bay is glued to. I wouldn't be surprised if the one of the future movies are going to be completely CGI without the need of having a practical set director.

 

But then they wouldn't be live action films.

 

Neither was Avatar. Most of the movie was a CGI cartoon.

 

Yes, but Avatar was also an alien retelling of Phocohantas, essentially.

You're never going to have a TF film that takes place off of Earth. They're too dependent on human drama.

 

Well then TF films are never gonna evolve, and like when mentioned before, that may be the reason why Bay is leaving - series may diverge from the human drama and focus on the TF characters, just as modern comic book movies are focusing on their iconic characters.

 

They wouldn't have kept bribing M. Bay to keep directing the films if they had any interest in 'evolving' things.

 

Yeah, trying to understand supporters of these films who don't even care if popular Autobots with cool alt-modes are reduced to transforming in "Gremlins" is as pointless as hoping for a good Bayformer's film in the first place. With that type of feedback and Paramount giving him more and more money each film you really can't blame Bay for not really giving a shit.

 

Optimus was going to put down Megatron and even criticized his asking for mercy. Optimus and the Autobots shot the Decepticons into molten rock—that seems like intent to kill right there, even if they didn't succeed. Optimus has tried to kill bots in the Sunbow cartoon. I have the episodes on my DVR and have watched them recently.

 

Whatever the Transformers films do going forward, I think it's obvious that they should have nothing to do with four wildly successful live action films that tens of millions of people if not more go to see every time, and their success is really determined by thousands of Transformers fans on sites like this.

Anyway, I like Bay. He seems like a cool guy, and I have heard he is a great guy to talk to. He has many strengths as a filmmaker that go unappreciated. He has his own visual style. He uses practical effects whenever possible. He has improved in many ways I think as the films have gone on. Finally, I think in his own way he is a fan of the Transformers brand. That's not to say his films are everyone's cup of tea or that he loves everything about it, but I think he does care about making Transformers films that the general public and parts of the fandom enjoy.