why does he have a brazilian flag on his front?

 

not really ... this isn´t the other films ... the films have to adapt, change ... there can´t be giant robots fighting on our planet and no one giving a shit ... humanity was always characterized as self-centered and selfish race ... it is logical that some of us would try to gain profit from teh conflict ... as for the military teams, almost teh same idea ... if our planet is being driven to ruins by a alien war, it is only logical that we wpould try to stop it by any means necessary ... we ARE also a violent and impulsive race after all ...

to be fair, we don´t really know what TRF is yet ...

 

That's...kind of the point though. The whole franchise concept is two sides of an alien civil war being fought on Earth right under the noses of the majority of the human race. Earth is merely the hapenstance battleground that reflects the need for the Bots and Cons to hide in plain sight as everyday cars and such.

Constantly trying to make Earth the most important goddamn mudball ever isn't the same as making people give a shit about the robots as characters. Humans shouldn't be front and center of a war being fought by another civilization barring its exploitation ala DOTM.

By fucking selling out the only robots proven to even be capable of saving the human race? That's why I can't accept AoE as canon, there is no reason Prime couldn't have made the whole 'oh noez humans are killing my buds' issue public by WALKING TO THE UN OR THE WHITE HOUSE.

Given the prevalence of the "V" icon with Prime's head on it? NEST replacement.

 

Probably because he didn't know how far the conspiracy went and walking up to the Command in Chief of the people that attacked him didn't seem like a very good idea.

Isn't that just a promotional logo?

 

exactly !!! what is not a promotional image however is the decepticon simbol with the V ... that has appeared on a lot of official stuff

 

Action, talking, more action

 

As opposed to simply running and hiding like cowards? It's not so much that Prime clearly didn't do anything about it as it is Prime is a horrible leader by simply letting the humans walk right over the Autobots and doing the dumbest possible thing by splitting the Bots up.

And even then he could just walk to the United Nations and claim sanctuary, because the UN technically isn't part of the US but he could do it as the established leader of a recognized civilized people.

It's on the TRF vehicles.

EDIT: Scratch that, bad memory.

Then you never saw the film. Or else you'd know Max says less than fifteen or so lines of dialogue in the entire film. Sure is a lot of 'talking' when he doesn't even tell Furiosa his name until the end of the film (which happens to be the last lines he even says in the film). Most of the time it's him just grunting or saying combinations of two or three words.

 

That's kind of what you do, unless you have a death wish. We didn't see the battle but it's likely it was pretty ridiculous, Optimus nearly got killed. I don't see what's cowardly about that.

How exactly did he let the humans walk right over the Autobots? Because he didn't stop them when he was unconscious? How do you know he split up the Autobots? Not all of them did split up, maybe some of them split up after Optimus went offline?

 

Im just pulling ur leg foo lol i saw the movie honestly but i just didnt pay attention to the dialogue.

 

Optimus Prime readily would have sacrificed himself in the first film under much less dire circumstances and only Sam's quick thinking saved the day.

It only underscores how he's holding the proverbial idiot ball of bad leadership in these films to give the humans the excuse they need to be hypocritical assholes all the time.

Uh...he knew how to get the bots back together?

Wow Ratchet just sucks at his job then.

 

How is letting Megatron regain the allspark and conquering humanity less dire then an ambush???

So what?

Maybe...

 

Megatron's still alive if the Cube was shoved into Prime's chest instead.

 

You still think that's not as dire a situation as an ambush?

 

Scorponok seemed to deal with half the bloody US armed forces breathing down his neck just fine and escaped with nothing but a trimmed tail.

 

I don't even know what the point you are trying to make is.

 

How the heck does Scorponok brush off a direct aerial assault that would blow up an entire tank company yet somehow Prime is put in real fatal danger from a bunch of dudes with guns?

Wasn't the entire point of the post-battle examination of Skorpy's tail showing that ONLY high heat incindiary rounds work on what is now defined as Transformium, or extreme cold later in the film when S7 takes Bumblebee down?

 

Because Prime wasn't only hit by humans with guns. Lockdown specifically tells Attinger he got 3 direct hits on Prime and seriously wounded him in Mexico City.

 

Because Scorponok didn't face an Army that was trained and experienced in fighting Cybertronians, and the humans were not alone. They had back up

THIS:

 

I can't give an unbiased response because of how goddamn stupid I think the facegun (and Lockdown in general as far as AoE goes) is, so we'll have to agree to disagree

 

Well that's not entirely true. Earth has had vastly varying levels of significance to the TF brand from little if any to it actually being a Transformer itself.

Also, technically that's still true of Earth in the Bay films. It's still a happenstance setting for the war, we just haven't seen the beginning. In TF1 the Allspark went to Earth for no reason. In ROTF Earth was just yet another pit stop in recharging the cube. In AOE it was just yet another planet to create and harvest metal from. And in TLK I'm sure once again the original retcon conflict probably doesn't have a predestined relationship with Earth. It's no different from any other series that constantly shoehorns Earth back to the centre of things. Only difference is the TF movies are really shitey at retconning it all together, because they're shitey at writing in general, but it's not a fundamental afront to the brand's nature or anything so "RUINED FOREVER"-y.

You have a nasty habit of blowing up every flaw in these films as some hideous disrespectful act against the very nature of our beloved brand when it's just another dumb bit of writing in a pool of dumb bits of writing.

And I bet if TFA or another good series had done it you would've loved it.