Thanks for taking the time to write out your experience, and to illustrate what I had up to now only guessed was your experience. I will agree with you that there is a 'Marketplace Feminism,' which is why I didn't reference it to suit my point, or what I have come to understand as feminism. I'd use sources such as the young Malala, the Bangladeshi Womens Corps rather than a Beyonce or the market feminist.

I'm sorry that your experience has been that way, I have had that one, but also the experience that led me to believe in a modern feminism that is pushing the goal towards equality and social recognition, I hope in the future you can find people in that sphere.

I will agree that Mr. Roberts has defaulted to that 'easy' definition of sexuality and identity. In the podcasts I'be listened to and articles I've read, especially to the current date he has since distanced himself from that, and tried to correct his reliance on brevity, for the purpose of proper representation.

In regard to Mairghread Scott, I think her stories have done very well to focus more on the political and social aspect of the current Transformers, rather than romantic relationshops or the like. I will say that her writing on the subject has been very inclusive, and thought provoking.

Again I'm sorry for your experience here and elsewhere on the internet. I've had such expriences and can empathize. I may have read your work before, and I hope your earlier comments to your writing remain true. I hope you continue to write for the reality you wish to see, and that it continues to be productive for you.

I wish you the best of luck in the future, and I sincerely hope you continue to be creative and expressive of your identity and experience.

 

I dont know what youre referring to, if I've missed something in the reading I apologize. I am mobile and any confusion outside of me missing something is due to that.

 

Banjoted said "The whining of ignorant white males will do nothing to stop that, nor will feeble minded efforts to try and label feminism as any other than a strive for decency."

Who here has labeled feminism as "any other than a strive for decency"? Did someone say "Succursal"? Why, we have a winner! I did indeed label feminism as something than a strive for decency. Which Banjoted has called an action of the feeble-minded, in what is possibly THE most-liked post in the thread--a post which YOU liked.

I was curious which users were endorsing one of the most narrow-minded and vitriolic insult-filled comments in the thread, and lo and behold, Mr. "No one intended to insult you!"'s name was on there. Post #105, here.

 

Feminism at this point has become a religion tbh.

 

I think you mean Superlink/Energon
which was unbearably slow and boring, the Destron slapstick was the only real saving grace of that show for me, and even then, I much preferred him as big ol' idiot Shockwave
but mainly I just don't like romance of any kind in fiction, especially Transformers, it always comes out as extremely cringy and unbearable, especially if its one of the main plots/selling points of said fiction.

 

That was Energon and it was the worst series, till Combiner Wars came out.

Pretty much.

When we find out what Roberts meant by Riptide is the knave.

 

Boy, this a toxic thread from both sides.

Same opinions from me about Roberts' work. Loved MTMTE Season 1 but was pretty disappointed by the underwhelming nature of Season 2 and hoping for the best in Lost Light.

 

I don't really see much toxicity to be honest, most are fairly civilized

 

Well if you take the most literal interpretation possible, sure, but the point of science fiction is to break out of those. If you pull far enough away from humanity, you will get beings that aren't sexual or romantic as we understand them. Must these beings represent only sexual and aromantic humans, or can the writer make other connections?

You know, that is absolutely true and I apologize. I was imagining that Chromedome might have spent only the tiniest fraction of his life in romantic relationships, a tinier fraction than many aromantic people in the process of discovering that it's not for them. But orientation is not behavior and I would never suggest that a certain amount of sex is required to avoid being asexual or that one must actually have dated men and women to be considered bisexual.

Now what I meant to say is that Chromedome's drive toward romance could easily be far lower than, say, the average person's, and he's considered perhaps the most romantically inclined Transformer known. And since there are no absolutes, people who have a small amount of romantic attraction may identify as aromantic in much the same way that a good chunk self-identified asexuals have noted sometime sexual attraction and activity in surveys. But I didn't express that well.

So you have my apologies, and I can only offer that I haven't been tremendously successful articulating myself in general this morning.

 

Woah woah woah, if we're talking likes, mine are kicking @banjoted's ass. Just sayin'  

At its core, this comic is still fluff sci-fi incorporating a social/political commentary that barely scratches the surface of what goes on in our world, yet look at the debate it's inviting. Debate far greater than content you're ever likely going to see within its pages. It's getting people talking. Challenging one another. That's an achievement whether you like the books themes or not, and that I'm writing this about a Transformers comic is why it gets praise from me for being progressive. As I've said though, it would be sad to see agenda/indulgence overshadow storytelling and that's a fine line that has been crossed a few times in Season 2 of MTMTE.

 

Exactly. When a movement is more concerned with the way a man sits, or the stupid jokes a man tells over women being raped and sold into slavery in most of the world then you know the movement is shit. Modern third-wave feminism is terrible.

 

True, at least its not like the old Legends comic discussions which basically amounted to "I don't like this and I don't want it to exist and you're a terrible person for enjoying this"
good ol' Legends Slipstream webcomic, I still love that thread, its so full of salt.

 

Thanks for highlighting that post. Another like added.

 

lol why

 

Oh okay, I see what you're referring to now. Sorry for taking so long to get back, I've been at work.

I'm pretty sure I didn't mean to like that post. As I said I am on mobile, and not terribly familiar with the boards and layout. I have no problem 'unliking it' as I'm sure those reading will understand.

What I can say is that I don't believe my rhetoric has resorted to hurtful/distressig comments, that's not my bag. I'm not in the group of white bashing or other racial/ethnic, and I hope thats come across.

I'm also not in the group of name-calling or deriding people online, I've been a target of that and understand firsthand how callous and easy such things can come out, and hiw much they affect others.

I'd like to say in my words, I argued points and tried to explain my position, more importantly when users started arguing experiences I provided my own, differing experience, while at the same time not trying to invalidate others experiences.

You must be tired of my apologies, but they are all I have to offer to you. I didn't intend to invalidae your experience or comments, but tried to learn( and have learned) your position and worked to empathize.

At the very least this thread has introduced me to shifts of opinions, identities and the like, and I have you to thank for that among others.

 

Theres nothing to gain from somethin like that friend, especially not at the expense of another group or identity

 

I'm sorry for any toxicity I atrributed to this thread, I tried my best to follow a proper arument and discussion. I apologize if this impacted your day, and hope the next will be better.

 

It's worse.

 

Hey, it's cool. No, you haven't said anything hurtful or distressing. I'm sorry I misunderstood/misread your intentions because of an accidental like.

I'm glad you were able to get something positive from it. All I've gotten from this thread is a reinforcement of what I already knew: that the vast majority of those who calls themselves feminists, are narrow-minded bigots that only want to jeer at and insult any marginalized person who does not immediately fall in line with their beliefs and give them asspats for being so progressive.

The rare exception like yourself, the 1 out of 100, don't change what the majority of the movement is. What perhaps, is simply the majority of humanity, the sort of ignorance, pettiness, casual hatred, lack of empathy, in-group out-group dehumanization, that perhaps lies in the majority of humans, whether they give a voice to it with feminism or with some other ideology.

So what you're saying, essentially, is that you'd like to call me an idiot, a moron, and feeble-minded, but you don't have the stones to do it yourself. Or do you? I'm right here. Waiting.

Fixed that for you  

 

Roberts has been using MTMTE to push progressive ideas since the very beginning. When he did it in season 1 it was clever and made the reader think. In season two it was like he took a blow torch to a small village. There was no creativity to it. It was just there, and it killed my enjoyment of the series.

Oh, and just to clarify, Feminism is a noble endeavor. Respect and equality of the sexes? Yes please. It's just the methods that most people (that label themselves feminist) use that sours me to the movement as a whole. A movement/ideology is the result of its players, good and bad.