Here let me connect the dots for you

to which I replied

Last link, goes to those shorts .

I just think its incredibly Funny that you skipped like, 80 percent of my post and just commented on the last line LOL

More to come !

 

I am starting to think they should have done a Victor Caroli type voice doing a opening narration like TF the movie and the g1 series first ( BUT ADD IT to the run time not include it LOL ) maybe one of the great fan dubbing groups can come up with something like that for us.

 

I was under the impression the comment was directed at this:

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I only commented on the part i believed to be relevant amd/or in response to something I had said

 

If I was responding to your comment I would have quoted you LOL, that is why i quoted someone else and not you.

No worries, We were both confused a little

but now that I see what you said about the original cartoons not holding up over time we are going to have to agree to disagree.

From a childs view point they do.

I hold a outdoor weekend movie in the summer for the kids / families in the neighborhood roughly 30 people come out each time. see this link for pics http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/general-discussion/616872-new-fan-post12799680.html

Anyways, I dont always show transformers but I make it a point to show it at least once a summer and the kids always like it ( the OLD cartoons ) . Plus as I said before, My boy and all of his friends here have been introduced to Transformers by the old g1 cartoon and they all love it. Just as much as any of the new cartoon stuff.

 

Yes those are positives but the negatives outweigh the poisitives.

 

They dont hold up in terms of how I percieved them as a child vs how I do as an adult. Thats what I meant earlier. Ive veen able to get numerous friends kids in to the original cartoons. Hell, I still watch them from time to time. But i wouldnt call it a "good" show in the way that things like GoT and BB are considered good shows. I guess thats a bit apples to oranges but its nowhere near as good as I remember it being when I was a child.

 

I don't think so.

Honestly I think that the problem here is that it was overhyped. Everyone expected G1 redone when the Combiner Wars team specifically stated it wouldn't be like that. People expected stellar animation from a small team of 15-20 people, when even productions like RWBY have more. They expected the original cast when they said they'd be getting Youtube personalities. They expected 20-minute episodes when from the start they said 5.

The signs were all there. Why did nobody actually read any of the previews and articles?

 

did no-body watch the minisodes that explained the backstory and motivations of the characters? this is more like episode 5 or 6 bcause they expect you to have seen the previous shorts they did the same thing in the avengers cartoon

I am enjoying these toons mainly because I see them as separate scenes from the same movie im not looking at them as stand alone. the first one was the action prologue the second one is establishing the current status quo

rodimus wants an army of combiners, the mistress of flame who is from caminus wants them all dead (understandable since they destroyed caminus), and starscream is full of regret and is trying to atone for his actions in the war.

the big difference between the motivations of the characters is that caminus was completely razed, not just damaged like in idw

as for the establishing shot of cyberton showing explosions etc its showing that the war has ended but there is still battles going on the panic that starscream mentioned

 

Hooray for strawmen.

 

Finally someone who gets it.

Straw...men? Sorry I don't quite follow.

 

The animation and length of each episode is not the issue.

My main three problems with the first two episodes are:

1. Silent filler in a five minute episode. Episode one had Menasor and Computron punching each other slowly and awkwardly in silence. Episode two had Starscream fly around in silence. And these were not short scenes either.

2. Confusing unexplained story for newcomers. Why are Menasor and Computron fighting? Who is Windblade? Who is The Mistress of Flame? Why are Rodimus and Starscream friends? Why are Optimus Prime and Megatron exiled? I've read the comics so I can come to the answers myself but the cartoon should explain itself better for those who haven't. Those silent scenes really need a scene setting narration.

3. Terrible dialogue and voice acting. Not all Youtube video makers are bad and some can do decent voices. But I'm not getting that here. Menasor was the worst. His voice was highly inappropriate for a character of his size and bulk. Even though limited to Youtubers, they made bad casting choices.

 

1: It's not filler. It's worldbuilding.

2: Did you watch the preludes?

3: Voice acting, no, but I'll let you have the script it's pretty cheesy. And Menasor did kinda suck.

 

I expected only what Hasbro advertised: A "return to G1" "aimed at mature audiences." The promo trailer itself specifically called it such a "return." And remember, this was the press in the run-up to release:

I am not among the vitriolic haters; I'll be watching at least one more episode, probably more, just to see how it plays out. But you can't deny that it fails to deliver on Hasbro's own marketing. It's a bit disingenuous to blame fans for a mindset that Hasbro intentionally called out for. At best it's misguided evidence of disconnect between the fans and the company, at worst it was a flat lie to build hype and get people watching.

 

That's not what I remember them saying. I said 'it's aimed at adult fans who've grown up with The Transformers franchise, but it's not G1'.

They never said it was aimed at G1 fans. They just said 'adult fans'. That doesn't mean G1. I'm an adult and I got introduced during the first movie, and my main exposure was the Unicron Trilogy.

 

I finally watched it a few minutes ago.

It was very boring throughout the entire episode, and had either no talking, or nothing BUT talking. Also, the voices really didn't match the mouths at all, and I felt like I was watching a Godzilla movie for a second.

I don't mind the art or animation for the most part, but those two things I mentioned bugged the hell out of me.

 

I'm an adult and my first exposure to Transformers media was Beast Wars. What does that even matter? It still doesn't satisfy, on a production level, general qualifications for adult-oriented media. I expect an engaging story with nuanced personalities (something the comics version of this concept excelled at), and production values that are, relative to the money, respectful to the target audience. Those expectations have nothing to do with "everything should be exactly like G1." Those expectations, in fact, far surpass G1. I expected media aimed at me as an adult fan to be better.

 

In what way are either of those examples of world building? No new information about the world of Combiner Wars is given in either of those scenes.
Computron and Menasor fight for 45 seconds before Computron says "we shouldn't be fighting", nothing about why they're fighting, and I can't think of anything from the preludes that would explain why either.
The zoom in from space/Starscream flying to the Council chambers takes up an entire 1 minute 15 seconds of screen time. Given the short amount of time each episode has to tell it's tale that's a lot of time wasted. That would've been the ideal time for Starscream to have a bit of inner monologue or something. Instead we get, well, filler where there really shouldn't be any.

 

I have to concur, the empty space at the start of each episode is not "worldbuilding." If the dead air had been filled with narration (as I'd suggested last week), or if Starscream had flown low over the city so the camera could see the Decepticon ghetto or 'bots and 'cons working together in Iacon, that would be worldbuilding.

The only thing in the first 1:20 of episode 2 that might be construed as worldbuilding is "Cybertron has seismic activity" and "the council building is really tall." And that second one I struggle to see as being a relevant bit of information.

 

I think this is a series that will be best looked at once all episodes are able to be viewed at once (including the previews which give huge character motivation and a lot of backstory)

the reason why they are fighting was technically established as menasor wants to destroy computron was working for the council to protect

and as for a return to g1 is there anything that disproves the ending of the rebirth/season4 other than rodimus not as hot rod and megatron not being galvatron? if you look at it as 20-30 years after the last episode it explains the changes, why the combiners hate each other etc

nobody says it was a mature story they just said a return to g1 blocky robots fighting each other with a story wrapped around it to give a reason is the essence of g1 and I think they nailed it