Technically KOs have a longer history than Transformers thanks to those Diaclone KOs  

 

So are OS KOs actually KOs? Or does the fact that they are upscaled, improved, and vastly different from the original mold make them a some sort of new item- removed from the argument?

One could say that are they are actually 3P-KOs- also known as droids, capable of intergalactic navigation. Are we now bordering on Star Wars IP infringement?

 

No. Also don't ban talk of The Asylum films from the movie forum. Because both ideas are just as stupid.

 

Does it really upset you that much what an other person's collection looks like and consists of?

The major point your missing is a person that buys a ko doesn't see any company as 'beloved' and therefore doesn't have any kind of bitter taste when looking at their toys.

Perspective. It's a wonderful thing.

 

As opposed to shame in my collection, OS KO Powerglide, the imminent BB7 Skywarp and OS KO evasion prime are definately enhancements.

Also my 5 year old will be over the moon with his OS KO legends Starscream and Optimus. So another generation will enjoy the products at the quality and size that the 'official' producers can't provide.

 

Hell no.

Like others have said, some KOs have improved upon things that HasTak simply have not given a single shit about, in the final analysis (lots of AOE currently)

 

In that case we should close this website since it's not a official hasbro forum?  

 

I think the fact that not a single post has agreed with this stupid proposal should say everything.

 

No.

I've "KO's" in my collection and that is simply because Hasbro / Tak doesn't offer me what they give me. E.G. a white MP-10.

 

I had a somewhat heated debate with a friend on Twitter who insisted that all Third Party are KOs...and I think there have been threads to that effect here, but in the legal grey area of third party transformers, it's not worth discussing. KOs to me are cheap copies of an existing figure, not a third party transformer which is inspired by the appearance of a particular character but is often fairly high quality with their own take on it. And then you have these excellent new OS KOs which some hesitate to call KO because they're of such good quality. Murky waters.

But to answer the OP, no.

 

Nope.

As for me KOs serve a purpose. I buy the original and then KO to display in alt mode. I'm not going to double pay 80+ dollars on an already inflated retail price original.

 

Folks, let's keep the discussion civil please. Thanks.

 

I say YES, do it, BAN the OP and any supporters from all 3rd party threads....   Just kidding.

I need some KOs in my life, just not the huge ones, which looked absolutely astonishing in person, but more like some of the smaller ones, cause you know I ain't got room.

 

I feel Hasbro's business model for MP's totally abuses us and I like seeing discussion on those $2 shop KO's.

 

I particularly am fascinated by what they call KO in this forum is greatly dependent on what the original post in a thread introducing it says. One company makes an upsized Fall of Cybertron Seeker that has vast improvements and new molding, it's a "third party" toy, another makes an upsized Evasion Mode Optimus with vast improvements and new molding, it's a "KO".

 

Excuse me mister officer, those kids over there are loitering. Can you arrest them.

 

No, this isn't Seibertron.

 

Guilty or Innocent

Innocent....

 

What they have hurt is because they are hurting them self.
Just look at this


Bruticus , score 2.5/5 , Sale 42% off.


Laser wave , score 3.5/5 , sale 48% off.


Optimus power surge , Score 3/5 , 42% off.


Ratchet , score 3.5/5 , 39% off.


Optimus maximus, score 2/5 , price is over price due to limited item.

My question is, why it is not sale well?
Because of OK ? No. those product are don't have a KO right now and those score by Japanese.
And why it is not sale well as previous master piece? Why most of later master piece line was have heavy price drop? most of them.

Compare to this


Diaclone , Score 4.5/5 , Sale off 1%

It is because quality and design.
Since Hasui have gone and have Kobayashi in charge instead it is the end of Takara master piece golden age.
And they have to deal with 3P too.
People prefer update design with more style as Hasui serve more than retro lack of detail as Kobayashi design. that why many people change to 3rd party instead.
And Vietnam factory have many QC issue too, like iron hide mistake assembly shoulder, UW Bruticus mistake assembly Knee joint , etc.
All their suffer (Has/Tak) is come from
1. Cheap design (No articulation , hollowness, low grade plastic)
2. QC issue
3. Design is so blend (Master piece after Ultra magnus)

Sale drop from a K.O.? I think no.
If product are high quality as it price people will buy it. because there is no guarantee there will be a K.O. version release.
To compete with 3Rd party ? I think Yes.

Shock wave is this case , many will buy Quake blast or Quake wave instead because they are more look more superior product.

And in case of design..... Combiner war is a bad comedy. every thing is remold. This make me sad because at start of this line I have more faith in them. and at the end of this line I feel like I'm stupid to buy same figure 5-6 time by only different color / head.
I feel like they are too lazy and have no love to character at all. event beloved character in Optimus maximus are just a remold. this is very disappointed.

To have faith again Has/Tak need to improve them self. they are done them self, not anyone.


>>> Should KO-related topics be banned here in TFW2005?
If this is year 2005 I'll agree with you.
But now this is 2016 we have.....
1. K.O. of improvement product, like MP track, more diecast, come with upgrade kit.
2. K.O. with Over size and with enchant improvement design, like MPP10 and M01 and those guy are amazing!!!
3. K.O. with corrective scale, like KO OS Grimlock which is scale well with MP10 than official product , or KO OS MMC Predaking , this set scale well with 17 inch combiner (Warbotron , TFC, Generation toy ) Quality is not good but he will stand alongside my Hades, Gravity builder , Poseidon , Warbotron till there is another combiner with better scale. (Official MMC is too small)

Now a day K.O. is not just a direct copy, some are corrective what original mistake , some are improve quality, it is not just a money but we need better product, so remind all of manufacturer please product only good quality or you will be treat with superior KO version.
I have faith that with 3rd party , Has/Tak , K.O. this will be good compete, so every one need to deliver great quality product or step up their game.
If there is only official product from Has/Tak..... well, they can do cost reduce / lower quality as much as they want.
Now this is 3 kingdom fighting each other untill some of balance is off (And now I think Takara is too weak...)
My answer is "No" , KO should stay here.

 

I remember being a kid in the mid eighties and buying a red KO Jumpstarter because it was much cheaper than the real one.

And of course sitting here with OS Evasion Prime; we've come a long way baby.

That said, there is one type of KO I'm not happy about, and that's the ones designed to fool us into being unable to tell if it's the real deal or not. I'm happy when they're sold as high quality KOs, but not when they arm unscrupulous sellers with ways to scam people. Went through this with a G2 MP Sideswipe from a show and it was infuriating.

But not being able to discuss them? Hells no. In fact that would end up with more opportunity for scammers to fool people with some of the KOs. Thank goodness for detailed "how to spot a KO" videos and discussions for that.