Also, Destron Lazerwave says Hello. And besides, MP is still extremely limited. Never have I seen an official MP tank-former yet, or any other jet-former other than the same ol' F15 derived seeker.

Finally, one can hardly say the new lines are too G1-slavish/G1-articulated; when you put TR Hardhead next to 3P Iron Will....yeah, I'd say it's easy to conclude which of the two is G1-slavish.

 

Sixshot looks like he stepped straight off the G1 mat with added articulation !!!
Headmaster doesn't do much for me but that six shot looks great !!

 

I'm a CHUG collector because it gives me what I want.

Character I remember as a kid, check. Reminding me of the character's look from the cartoon or comic book, well most of the time. Articulation, check. Being able to collect when I don't have a huge budget for collecting, check. Not being slavish to G1 so they can try new ideas or bring in characters that were not from G1, check. Fun to collect except for that figure that's too hard to find in the wild, check.

I've got nothing against Masterpiece, they put out some nice stuff. There is some really nice stuff that is put out by the 3rd party companies as well. But there is no need for people to dump on us CHUG collectors if we are happy with the stuff we are getting from Hasbro.

I just like CHUG better than Masterpiece and if that makes me a horrible collector oh well.

 

I'm digging the ramp connection points on Sixshot's wings. It looks like his "tank" mode would make a good anti-aircraft turret to setup next to Tryprticon and connect them together. I'm sure we'll see some great fan-made base modes too.

 

I have nothing against Cybertronian modes if they look good. That said, I'd like to see characters like Arcee and Chromedome get actual non-retro-future earth modes like Generations Kup, Scourge, Springer, and so on.

Because that worked so well for GI Joe.

I prefer modernized designs that bring something new, fresh, and interesting to the characters, rather than poor-man's redundant MPs that try but can't truly be accurate.

But that's just my opinion.

 

My collection is split between MP for Season 1, most of Season 2 and a few from Season 3. What I don't want from MP I want from GHUG, but I want the most G1 CHUGs I can get. And Combiner Wars and now TR is giving me those G1ish CHUGs, which to me are mini cheap MP to fill out the CHUG portion of my collection.

For Season 3, basically all I want MP wise is Magnus, Galvatron and maybe Cyclonus and Springer.. But of those Magnus is the main one I want, the rest can be filled in by many of the revealed and released new figures.

I am regretting selling my RTS Cyclonus however, the CW is a far cry from that mold.

But I can consider the CHUGs I buy mini cheap MP if I feel they are dead ringers to the characters, and many are when IDW and games aren't the focus.

Gen Arcee is G1 Arcee ...period. Same with TR Blurr, Wheelie Scourge, Brainstorm, Highbrow, Hardhead, Takara Chromedome...etc. Headmaster gimmick be damned...I couldn't care less if I have to remove the heads or not.

 

Except, they aren't.

They are anything BUT, diluted MP. They are anything BUT G1 slavish.

But the fact is, they are G1 evocative rather than super loose G1 homages/interpretations.
You have had that already, you had your shot at that in past Generations.

CW & TR are all about new and stylized interpretations of G1. They ARE very much modern interpretations
of the originals and they totally earn their place in CHUG/RTS.

If you want to throw the G1 slavish argument around ; then a lot of 3P stuff is what you should be aiming at, not Titans Return.

 

so there better be a octane out of that optimus prime

 

I'm getting the impression that what I've said is losing context. I was originally responding to this:

I know the Classics series aren't diluted MPs. My point was that the line isn't supposed to be, so the people who look for cartoon "accuracy" and complain when an alt mode gets updated actually aren't having the right expectations for a line that was conceived around the idea of modern reformatting.

Generations was hardly "super-loose". It was heavily G1, and reformatting a character from their 80's mode into a comparable modern alt mode doesn't change that when their head, deco, and iconic detail placements remain largely unchanged.

 

Finally, kickback!!

 

Half true.

Since most of us only have TR wave 1 in hand, it's only fair to draw comparison between those figures and their predecessors.

TR Blurr - RTS Blurr ; the latter is pretty much a pure Drift repaint with an IDW head. Extremely loose interpretation in my book. 3P Blurrs in various size & price classes have done the cybertronian altmode and everybody sings Praise & Hail - but when mainline Generations does a stylized new interpretation of that vehicle mode, it's un-Generations-like or Generations-taboo ?

C'mon....

TR Hardhead - Universe Hardhead ; the latter is also a pure repaint. It even requires a 3P add on to even come close to being G1 evocative. And I think the Onslaught mold is an aweful mold in the first place.

TR Scourge - RTS Scourge ; The former is a space soap/boat again ? Nothing wrong with that. He's even got panels at the bottom which make it look like a wing-boat.

TR Skullsmasher - ; we didn't even have any Generations Skullsmasher ! lol.

TR Galvatron - Universe Galvatron ; people would really choose the latter again over TR Galvatron ? Right.......

TR PMOP - ; like Skullsmasher's case, there has been no CHUG PMOP after the G1 original. Any other form would be blasphemy btw.


Besides, figures like TR Astrotrain and TR Megatron are clear deviations from their G1 altmode forms and people are pretty much complaining about them already or at least being vocal already about their preference for their respective repaints ; Sentinel Prime and Blitzwing.

Anyway, one could say... that Generations has slightly redefined itself ; and that's really not a bad thing.

 

Talking of hubcaps do you think we will get a legends hubcap and out back for tr to finish the 86 minibots

 

I actually really, really don't like the Drift repaint. It's a clunky, kibbletastic figure. The McCarthy head sculpt doesn't look like Blurr, and giving the one guy who can't sit still a sniper rifle of all things was beyond stupid. That said, the car mode was the figure's only strength.

People who collect 3P Masterpiece figures may collect Classics, but most people who collect Classics aren't 3P Masterpiece collectors. You're lumping two mostly different consumer groups together. 3P Blurrs are usually MP-scale and G1 model accurate, correct? That not what Classics has historically been about.

Being in the overlap of those two audiences doesn't mean you expect the same product style from both lines, anyway. People who have an unofficial MP Blurr may want a deluxe that fits in with their Classics, Universe, and Generations Autobots rather than a deluxe that looks like an inferior version of their MP.

I personally like having Hardhead turn into a SWAT tank. It's similar to what he turned into in IDW, which was the more memorable depiction of his character. The lack of remolding was the only major problem I had with it, and once you put the Headrobots head on it the design and deco really work as Hardhead.

I don't mind a soap Scourge being made since we already got a really good update, but the figure we actually did get looks poor in both modes, especially with none of the parts meeting flat in alt mode. The random square plates hanging off the front look exceptionally bad.

And you can't exactly reformat a robogator into a newer robogator, so I'm happy with the TR.

Universe Galvatron is disliked because it's a really shitty mess of an undersized figure, not because it turned into a tank. And on the other hand, the TR voyager had his head compromised for the gimmick while turning into a gappy, loose-fitting redesign of the G1 cannon mode.

TR OP is actually what I'm in argument for, since it turns into a modern-appearing semi.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anymore. You stopped reading what I was actually saying and started arguing against what you thought I said.

As long as it doesn't devolve into articulated Sunbow designs like Jamar wants, I agree.

 

Plus the Drift mold seems too bulky for a character like Blurr.

 

Ok Hasbro. Everything you messed up with Combiner Wars repainting the same car and jet 10,000 times whether it made sense or not...

...all is forgiven. Everything about Titans Returns is great. You are killing it. Keep it up.

 

It's pretty obviously Octane. And it's pretty cool.  

 

People seem to be ignoring my comment about this as well.

To answer your question, no those weren't on the original... those are ramp connection points for the base mode gimmick that Leader figures in this line enjoy. Optimus, Blaster, Soundwave... you know Overlord is gonna have it. Only fitting to let Sixshot integrate as well.

If you look at his "Tank" mode...



You'll see that they are positioned in a great spot to have him link up to a ramp from Trypticon, making him more of an anti-aircraft turret instead of a tank.

I'm sure we'll get some good fan-mode bases out of this guy too.

 

A bit late to the party, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I am so happy that Hasbro are giving us a proper 6 changer Sixshot all these years later. I missed out on the G1 version as I had drifted away (no pun intended) from Transformers age-wise by the time it came out. I will definitely be getting the new release and he will occupy a place of honor in my den. I consider him the pinnacle of Transformers figures purely on the basis of his multiple modes.

A couple of questions:

1. Can anyone give me a guesstimate as to how tall he is in robot mode? I saw the picture and he is quite a bit shorter than the G1 figure and looks to be almost voyager sized.

2. Given the January release date, is it in the realm of the reasonable to assume that we should see Sixshot and his wave-mates at retail by Christmas?

 

1. Sixshot is a Leader figure, so my best guess is around 8 inches.

2. Yep, definitely should be seeing him around Christmas, though your mileage may vary, depending on distribution.

 

They did mention that the Leaders would have a base mode. I wondered how they were going to do that for Sixshot. I figured Hastak would go for some sort of fan mode approach, but the ramp thing's both simple and clever. If you can't turn the figure into a base, make it part of one.