Well I don't think Megatron's head would physically crumble or disintegrate rapidly just because his mind wasn't there. His original head would simply become a husk without any mental activity. I just saw the whole thing as more of a mind transfer than a mind/memory copy. Also, either way Galvatron was independent enough to defy the human's orders and programming. Additionally, much of what is known about Galvatron was exposition from Brains, and the little Autobot sure seemed to think they were the same.

If Galvatron was a new body with simply a copy of Megatron's mind and memories, then yes, I'd agree that Galvatron and Megatron were separate characters. However, the movie made it seem much more like a mind transfer than a mind copy, so I consider that, based on current evidence, Galvatron's mind is Megatron's actual mind in a new body.

By the way, I'd personally be fine either way. If Megatron and Galvatron are the same, cool beans. If Galvatron and Megatron are separate, also cool beans, even if I am of the opinion it is the former.

I will agree that this announcement that "Megatron is coming" doesn't automatically mean that Galvatron is going anywhere. It's possible this new Megatron face is simply an imposter sent by the Creators masquerading as Megatron, or is a Predacon/Beast Era type Megatron, or is Megatron's appearance from the distant past. I don't think the announcement, which undoubtedly is meant for the purpose of hype and speculation, is an indication either way about the future of Galvatron or his true nature.

In the end, we just have to wait and see what this all means.

Personally, I hope Galvatron retains his cube transformation and remains unique in that respect, but hey, that's just me.

 

Why would his mind not be there? They were transferring data. Why would that cause the data in the original location to disappear? I really don't get your thought process on this.

 

Because we're discussing if he was transferring his mind (Galvatron is Megatron) versus copying his mind (Galvatron is not actually Megatron), and you mentioned the state of Megatron's head. It's kind of like moving Pokemon(not trading, but transferring) from an older game cartridge to a newer one from a newer generation of games. When that happens the individual Pokemon is no longer to be found in the older game. It's now in the new game. If Megatron transferred his mind to the last Galvatron prototype in a similar manner, then his mind would no longer be in Megatron's head; it would be in the Galvatron body. Megatron's head would still have all of the physical hardware of a Cybertronian, but his mind would no longer be active in that particular body (or part of a body). If Megatron made a copy of his mind for Galvatron, then his original head would still have his actual mind, and the Galvatron prototype would have a copy of his mind and memories but not the original mind itself (which is what you think Galvatron is).

Of course, there's always another option if Megatron's mind was still in his decapitated head. Since Galvatron had operational control over not only his own body, but also the other KSI prototypes, perhaps Megatron still kept his mind in his own head and secretly programmed the KSI prototypes, with Galvatron being the "head prototype", to be remotely controlled by his still living head. In this instance Galvatron would not be Megatron's mind transferred to a new body, nor would he be a copy. He would simply be an avatar for Megatron (of course, I suppose Galvatron could be both a copy and an avatar). I'm not saying I think it's the case. I'm just saying there's more than one possible way of looking at it.

Sorry for the wall of text, and I don't expect you to agree, but I hope you can at least see where I'm coming from.

 

What you are talking about is a game developer taking advantage of consumers. There is zero reason for Megatron to wipe his own mind.

And even in your own example, you are only talking about copying data then erasing the original. Not a transfer of consciousness. How would a transfer of consciousness even be possible with human technology? It's like you are reducing sentient life down to mere memories and ignoring our governing consciousness.

 

Yeah, this ain't like G1 Marvel where Prime's entire conciousness can be backed up on Floppy Disc.

Not to mention Megatron has just bullshit his way through losing irreplaceable things anyway - shoving the AS into his spark to basically destroy his soul didn't stop him from coming back by shoving more AllSpark to somehow restore said soul. And then lopping off his head and putting an axe blade through it was not enough to, presumably, stop Galvatron from being a revived Megatron (who goes so far as to claim he has no soul).

 

What if Megatron is back in some flashback sort of way, going back to a time when they were all just Cybertronians hence the same eye color as Orion Pax, this could integrate the Quintessons/Creators storyline?

 

Where do you even get this idea? I sure as heck am not "reducing sentient life down to mere memories and ignoring our governing conciousness." I just gave multiple possibilities as to what Megatron's mind is doing and where it resides, and I could come up with more, too. I even kindly considered your thoughts on the matter. Transformers are living things, but they are also machines, so one has to consider this in terms of how they function. We don't know every quirk of Transformers biology and physiology in any continuity, so we have to make reasonable assessments that consider their mechanical nature.

We also have to go by what we are shown and told in the films. Based on what Brains said and on footage from the film Megatron gave the humans the science to build Transformers of their own so that he could have a new body. Megatron altered the appearance of the Galvatron prototypes with his "chromosomes." At some point Megatron transferred his mind into the latest Galvatron prototype. Unless Megatron's head was remotely controlling the KSI prototypes, then it was completely pointless for Megatron's actual mind to stay restricted in an immobile head without a mobile body in a lab when he had a new, mobile body (Galvatron) that he could use instead. The new body had the added bonus of not having a Spark that could be extinguished from physical damage, and the new body also probably has many ways of staying functional even if Galvatron is heavily damaged.

Additionally, there is literally no indication from the film that Megatron's mind was still active within his old head by the time Galvatron reveals his autonomy, although it was obviously active before the transfer took place. We just know that Galvatron was now sapient, and Megatron had transferred his mind into the Galvatron body. We know Megatron's head was still in KSI's lab, but the Galvatron body was already complete and functioning. There is no indication from the film Megatron would have any use for a part of his old body given that he had already custom-designed a new body for himself. I don't think Transformers would need their old bodies if they transfer their minds to newer, functional ones.

Maybe Megatron's head will show up again? Maybe there will be a retcon that shows Megatron's mind was still active within his decapitated head after the transfer? Maybe. Maybe not. It's just as likely, and probably much more so, that we will never see his old head in the next film. However, it's literally something we have no way of knowing until that happens (or doesn't happen), and we see the next film and see what "Megatron is coming" means and learn more about Galvatron's nature. Until the next film comes out or more information is revealed I think it's pointless arguing anymore about it. Let's just watch the movie in a year and see what comes of it.

 

Even in the Marvel case, a lot of people (including Roberts, apparently) consider Marvel Optimus to have died when he got blown up, and the floppy disk back-up restored version to have been a clone. That's another case in which they backed up the data of a mind, but the idea of transferring an actual consciousness was way beyond what any human technology in the room was capable of.

 

And on this point I completely agree with you. Downloading a Cybertronian mind into a new body is definitely beyond 21st Century human technology and modern human comprehension.

 

You win

 

I hypothetically think Megsy is going to be either some kind of Beast Wars(same name, different dude) influenced herald of Unicron or he'll restore his spark through through some long dormant Cybertronian tech on Earth (maybe found in England) thus creating a type of Beast Wars Trans Metal II/2001 RID Megatron into a dragon bot.

Then Optimus being a knight needs to gank his keister thus slaying the dragon. Boom I'll take my check now please.

 

Oh I went there!

 

I thought so too, at first. I'm not so sure anymore.

His defiance when faced with Unicron's ultimatum was when he jumped up several spots on my top villains list. I grant you I was only 6. ;-0

Optimus better stay away from Earth or I'm going to be the one who kicks his ass!

Yes. He is the Fallen. Liege Maximo makes more sense if they are going down that path. The character. Not the name. That name will fall flat with audiences.

I love you so, so much! You have said nearly everything I wanted to say while reading this thread almost exactly how I would have said it, with more style and grace, I believe. You are a testament to what this fandom could and should be.

There it is. The signature long winded, over quoted response that is my TM

 

Returning Movie Megatron

I really hope that the writers and Bay give us a good explanation of why Megatron is coming back. This Megatron has to be a clone that the Creators created in order for him to fight Optimus or something. As others have said Megatron does look prehistoric and maybe this is what he use to look like possibly when he was newly activated.

Nonetheless I am still excited for this movie and plan on seeing it in theatres when it comes out.

 

But it wasnt done by humans or human tech. But cybertronian bugs.

As for returning of megatron, well it would be fun if he got resurrected again, and fought galvatron for the leadership of the cons, and lost and got killed  

 

Youtuber Dingocrikey throws some very interesting ideas out there and I'm whiling to believe in one of them. What if Megatron is also a knight from the Teminus knighthood and gets upgraded like Optimus got in AOE?

 

Honestly it feels like it would be rethreading the DOTM Megatron trip with him having a dirty truck with a cape a bit. I wouldn't mind it if that was the case however it's just something I can see some people being a little annoyed at. Would be cool if the bot was actually an Armada Scavanger homage since he was a character that had a construction vehicle and wore a cape at his debut episode.

 

Thank you! These are actually the kindest words someone has ever said to me on this site. I just think we should be able to have different interpretations of fiction and see that we all think differently, so we're not going to view everything the same. We're not a hive mind, and that's a good thing.

I'd love to sig that last sentence by the way.

Exactly! Then again the humans only had the illusion of control.

 

So I'm guessing they're going to pull an IDW and make Megatron and Galvatron 2 separate characters?

 

There's literally no indication of this either way, positive or negative.

Also, I'm with those who see the tusks as being more part of a battle mask than the actual face.