Can we merge this thread with the Pacific Rim 2 & 3 Confirmed thread?

Hasbro can "confirm" TF 12, 13 & 14 if they want to and it doesn't mean a thing. Any one of a billion things can happen to stop whatever plans they have in the blink of an eye. Hollywood is famous for that.

 

Now there I have to disagree. Not about there not being any Decepticons, but ironically the kinds of things the RB team has faced tend to be worse than anything the Decepticons actually did for most of Prime.

Seriously, Dr. Morocco is one of the greatest human baddies in the entire franchise simply because he isn't incompetent. But he also technically won and turned the world into a kid-friendly authoritarian run state akin to 1984 where even with Prime and BB showing up to help, it was rescue vehicles vs an entire army of robot tanks.

But some of the threats are also self-ware and suitably absurd - I still fondly remember learning about the one episode where the problem was flying crabs. The episode itself is great (it takes some balls for a show aimed at the younger demographic to replicate one of the most famous horror scenes from The Birds) but it still presents a weirdly serious situation with enough lightheartedness that it's enjoyable on all levels.

We can only hope.

Actually, I'd shoot more for the DOTM HA Basic scouts - those guys were damn near perfect all around.

But the franchise has only survived by constantly rebooting - Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, even Prime, all of these seperate series are necessary in keeping the franchise alive as it keeps the new members of the target audience (8-12 year old boys) interested as the older ones grow out of it.

Didn't their idiotic lawsuit over the Jetfire painted GI JOE SDCC toy a few years ago kind of kill the wind in their sails of being lawsuit happy? Sure, they still got those killjoy rights to "UN SPACY" and stuff, but they're bound to have to sell those off as I don't think they're doing to hot in the real estate business they're supposed to actually be a brand name for.

Wait, you mean you can explain to me how the hell The AllSpark, Sun Harvester, and the Ark all managed to land around or on the exact same planet and nobody fucking thought that the magic techy-cube under Hoover Dam might have something to do with the alien spaceship on the moon?

...because ROTF, DOTM, and AoE kind of copy the basic plotline of select G1 cartoon episodes?

 

The Official Masterpiece Guidebook would disagree with you. The one where Takara Tomy (marketing) executives go on right record citing the live action movies as a big reason as to the ease with which they were able to acquire automobile licenses (from traditionally reluctant manufacturers like Lambo, Lancia, and VW).

Is it the sole reason? No (and I want to preemptively point out that I never claimed as such). I'm sure Tomy's preexisting relationship with various car makers helped too (GM and Nissan would've played ball regardless of the movies, for example, due to Alternity and Alternators/Binaltech, though the movies further solidified the relationship between HasTak and GM). Do car maker licenses apply to made up alt modes like the Hot Rodimus and Laserwave characters? Nope, I don't believe so, so let me preemptively put a pin in that argument.

The point is, the Bay movies still help the toy brands more than they hinder when you look at the big picture. I'm 100% certain that without the live action films, we would never have gotten my boy Wheeljack in Masterpiece form, or we wouldn't have gotten him as quickly as we did.

The Official Masterpiece Guidebook. The English translation is floating around TFW2005 if you run a search (probably under News or Resources or something).

Like the little girl meme floating around these boards, "Why not both?" Because Tomica has had existing relationship with various car manufacturers before the movies does not automatically discount/disprove the (positive) influence that the films had on the Masterpiece line. Hell, they even included MPM-01 Starscream (repaint of HFTD Leader Starscream) and MPM-02 Bumblebee (Leader Bee) under the Masterpiece banner (and yes, those two figures are also cited in the Official Masterpiece Guidebook).

 

It's like I've said before on here re: the movies - those not only gave HasTak greater leverage and budgets for MP licenses, it allows collector-oriented lines like Generations to continue because they can afford extra side stuff more and more now. Regardless of one's feelings on the movies, we wouldn't be nearly as spoiled as we are without them.

 

Wow.... just think, my 10 year old nephew will be driving me to the 7th and 8th movies for sure.  

 

wait rid got cancelled

 

Personally I think it time to end with the next one and start fresh with the next filims or series with some g1 characters and build those characters up without killing anyone off. Introduce characters like skyfire, omega surpreme and more female characters.

 

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/trans...disguise-season-2-episode-count-revealed.html


From this news, we're thinking finished after S2.

 

I think there is a huge difference though between what Marvel/Disney has been doing and what Paramount has been doing.

With the Marvel movies they shake things up so it's not always the same characters every film. You get Iron Man and then you get a break from Iron Man until the team up movie of the Avengers. You get something that doesn't feel exactly Iron Man with the Captain America movies. When it felt like we were drowning in grim dark grim that one summer the marketing team made Guardians look like the fun other studios didn't know how to do any more. While I like the Avengers I'm glad it's not been four Avengers films in a row but breaking things up like lets do an Ant Man movie.

With Transformers it's felt too much the same. So far there has been no hints to any real changes so it could be four more films of the same. If you are sick to death of Bumblebee and too powerful Prime seems boring it's not looking like any breaks from them ever.

Even Warner Brothers could throw the hopes of a little different by announcing a Flash movie by a team of fun directors to give people something to look forward to if the Man of Steel tone isn't your thing.

 

As much as I really don't like the movies they at lest make money to fund cartoons and other toy lines

 

Not only that, but all those movies can have human drama with THE MAIN CHARACTERS. In Transformers movies, all the human drama has to come from a supporting human cast. That is a huge handicap to overcome.

 

RID just isn't that good, and I don't think the kids are digging it too. The RID product clogs shelves and there's gotta be a reason for the big cut in S2/S3 (as in no season 3). The show just isn't that good. Sure some like it and that's fine, and some didn't like Prime, but Prime won awards and had overall far more positive feedback on the boards, plus many of the toys were decent at least. They say they made RID based on feedback from kids, but if they really did and seeing how it's shaped up, maybe they listened to the wrong feedback. Animated showed how you can strike a balance of having a kid focused show in cell animation yet still draw in the adults. Remember too we were told a big reason Prime ended was because of how expensive it was, so they wanted to go cheap with cell animation. What message does it send when the cheap show is being cut short? Do they not have faith in it or feel it can be turned around? Now there is hope when they say RID is the first direct continuation, so maybe there will be another series that follows, but will have a different premise than RID. Too bad they couldn't adapt MTMTE to a series about a bunch of misfit bots on a big ship traveling through the galaxy.

I don't care what hasbro lies and tells us, the collector market is far far far more important and bigger than they have ever admitted. When they put out questionable movies or tvs and figures, collectors will buy less and they will not recommend or push others to buy stuff too. When classics was big, or animated, or prime was out (to an extent), it was easy to recommend to parents toys to get. At least we have the collector/adult focused show on Machina to look forward to.

 

I hope that they start introducing BW characters. Share the pain.

 

Good god, the money! Will I ever hold on to you?

 

It's been 7 years and Jazz didn't do anything.

 

I have a theory here actually two I'm not sure which one is true so here we go.

My first theory is those movies could be spin offs the prequel a dinobot movie that kind of stuff they said they had five movies well going by that and how often each movie is released that would line up however I've thought of something else what if they are crafting a full mythology universe like G1, Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Basically the first trilogy is classic G1 the second trilogy is season 3 and to an extent Generation 2, After that we then get the next trilogy which could kick off the movie version of Beast Wars note this wouldn't actually be Beast Wars but rather a sequel to the first six movies but with new characters maybe even a new robot lead Peter Cullen will probably be retiring after the second trilogy and Bay is leaving after six. So how do we know these other movies aren't either spin offs or a new generation that will follow the old?

 

I thought Paramount had only greenlighted a second trilogy but that was before they established that they were making a cinematic universe so this kinda doesn't surprise me.

 

lol!