The most true thing said in this thread.

I might need to sig that.

 

"G1".
The term, the label. Hate it.
HATE !!
Makes my skin crawl, repulses me, and I will never refer to The Transformers as that.

 

Hey arh.... watz with the "Allspark" lyk came on the cube l@@ks lyk a Hellraiser copycat (put plastic or cardboard) its juzt lamo!
Plz don't scream at me coz u think itz a ET-Bay Godling! DUH!

 

Oh. You're one of those.

Now, I don't like the live action movies all that much, but I think they give a new narrative to it (Autobots kill due to war being hard on them).

But, you really know who I hate? "Geewunners", or "Gee-whiners".

"Geewunners/Gee-whiners" are fans of the franchise who only care for one continuity. That would be the Generation One continuity, and hate everything else because "It isn't G1".

This group of the fandom are people who pretty much have permanently glued on nostalgia-goggles on, and refuse to see change.

Now, ISeeRoller, the box in Hellraiser sends the villain protagonist to Hell, while the Allspark gives life. I respect women have rights to have opinions, but seriously, take off those nostalgia-goggles of yours and wake up.

In fact, this entire group of "Gee-whiners" need to see change for themselves, not staying in the past like some idiotic 80's nut.

 

I understand you're young, but please, improve your grammar.
Anyway, I view the Allspark as a Heaven, and the Key to Vector Sigma to be the tree of life.

 

Oh, my. This part of the comment. All of this part.

 

And Anti-G1'ers are better? It's the other side of the same coin. Calling it idiotic is just... well, idiotic as well, isn't it?

You may not get it, or disagree, but how can you blame someone who thinks the Bay-verse Prime or Bumblebee is terrible compared to the G1 originals? There is nothing idiotic about thinking this even if you think so.

And nostalgia isn't a bad thing. Sure, some people seem to be way too into it at times. But it's part of getting older. And it happens in even young people as well.

 

I wasn't talking about nostalgia. I was talking about many people who disregard every other continuity and only focus on G1. That's what I qualify a "Gee-whiner".

 

Please just discuss what you dislike without starting a flamewar or name calling, I'd like to keep a few threads open.  
Seriously, take it down a notch.

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So what? G1 is awesome. I personally couldn't give two craps about anything non-sunbow G1 as far as toys and media are concerned. Nothing wrong with that, it doesn't make me less of a TF fan than anyone else, I don't go into threads about other Tf incarnations and crap on them because I don't feel threatened by them and why should I be, 30 years on G1 is still the most relevant thing in the franchise looking at all the new combiner wars and third party stuff coming out...all based on G1.

I'm sure there are other fans of other series that are only interested in their respective 'G1 series'...I don't see anyone calling them out? And why should they be...it's what they want to enjoy, it's just a hobby not a job or some crusade to prove you're the ultimate TF fan by sitting through every TF series, reading every TF IDW comic and buying every TF figure from every line!? Absurd, you do what you want!

I can acknowledge and accept the existence of other TF incarnations but I don't have to like them, the little I've seen of them doesn't make me remotely interested in knowing what they're about. It doesn't make me less of a TF fan. If it bothers you...maybe you're just insecure in what you like and feel people have to like what you do in order to feel better about what you like!

 

Truer words have never been spoken.

Yeah. I'll raise a cup to this.

Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, likes, and dislikes. That said, it can be pretty frustrating when you're enjoying a cartoon/movie/comic and someone asks why it isn't more like G1 and demanding it be more like G1, or saying G1 Transformers is the only Transformers.

Yeah. I agree with that.

Good for you. I, personally, don't like G1, cartoon or not. I find it overrated and find myself more interested in other parts of the Transformers franchise.

Then you're not a Gee-wunner. The term specifically talks about people who DO do that.

Honestly? I don't really like that. I wished it was different so I could be more into it. That said, they are doing original ideas in all the G1-fest. They are trying new things and trying to appeal to everyone, while making an extra effort to appeal to G1 fans.

Hasbro doesn't make toys JUST for me. I get that. So I'm not raging about the fact that some of the G1-esque figures. I just wish they had done some things differently.

Probably because those other groups are in such a tiny majority? The people who want things to be more like G1, I believe, are a bigger group than, say, people who want things to be more like Animated. That's just my observation.

But no one seems to be acting insecure. People are just annoyed with other people asking why something isn't more like G1/demanding it be more like G1. Obviously there are people who go to far in the anti-G1 party, but to me, the people who are too far pro-G1, are more numerous, or at the very least, louder.

 

It's fairly simple, actually.

To just about all of us, Optimus Prime is a powerful leader who transforms into some kind of truck (beast wars aside). Powerful in both modes. You don't have to be a G1'er to feel that that's who he is as a character.

Now lets say around 2007 some guy named Mitchell Baye came out with a new TF franchise and all of a sudden, the character "Optimus Prime" was a weaker character who transformed into a ice cream truck. Everybody would be going "wtf" to that. Not only G1'ers. Everyone.

Now obviously the differences weren't as extreme in reality, but still enough for many of us to strongly dislike them.

Put simply: if someone takes something that you have affinity for and butchers it in your eyes, you will complain about it also. It happens to just about everyone.

 

Not enough dancing.

 

Quoted for truth

 

BTW, I hate the terms "gee-whuner" or "gee-whiner." I like different continuities, so don't think that I take this personally, but they are stupid terms. They seem designed to make others hostile. I don't think mods would tolerate movie fans being called Bay's-Slaves, RiD fans RiDiots, Beast Wars fans as Zoophiles (I think that all of those names are just as stupid BTW). I dunno, the use of the term has always bugged me.

 

I may be a bit late on the ball, but here I go:

-Noseless Transformers. Ugly, ugly, ugly. Soon to be two years since I got back into the fandom, and it still bothers me so much.
-Noselessness carrying over into IDW-verse: Bulkhead and Knockout, for example. C´mon, give them G1-styled faces!
-Floro Dery´s TF character designs. Across the board. And the ugly G1 toys that got based on them. Except Gnaw and Maybe Wreck-Gar. Don´t get me wrong, I love his esthetics over all, it would just have worked better for a sci-fi/fantasy mixture with actual humans (MOTU).
- Combiner Wars turning into a recycling fest for a handful of molds that are quite similar to start with, being reused for unsuitable characters
-The Combiner Wars comic becoming little more than a vehicle for justifying said remolds, with silly boring wrestling fights between dim-witted combiners ("Defensor defend!" "Superion superior!", etc)
-Fakeformers/Fauxformers: Faux parts on TF toys are, in my eyes, cheating and a sign of a failed character design. Sure, if we want to recreate G1 cartoon character designs accurately, maybe it is unavoidable. But it should never have been necessary since. Lot´s of em in Combiner Wars lately...

Above, nit-picking, here are my main gripes:

-Transmorphers: Galvatron and Stinger(s) in AoE. Transformers transform on a mechanical level, not a nanomechanical level.
-Alt-mode scanning: goes hand in hand with transmorphing. If this is possible, then why do any Transformer ever stick to one alt-mode for even a whole mission? And why don´t they all transmorph all of the time if their bodies are so plastic? Why don´t they camouflage themselves into random inanimate objects all the time, seep through doorcracks etc like T-1000 and fight through wrestling each other in liquid mode?
-Mass shifting. Worst of the worst. Sure, it was inevitable in G1 but could have been avoided in every continuity since. Mass shifting is not sci-fi, it´s MAGIC. Space bridges are more scientifically credible than mass shifting. And last time I checked TF was not a fantasy franchise, although it is certainly going in that direction. Further, if mass shifting works, why does not Megatron make himself infinitely small, fly into a small crevice in Optimus Prime´s body and rapidly expand himself, exploding his opponent from inside? Just sayin´...

 

Ah buddy, it always starts like this, then it all just starts biting at you!  

EMPs and magnets are often shown to be incredibly effective weapons against Cybertronians (and they tend to restrain instead of insta-kill, which should make them adored by Autobots), so why are they a rarity instead of being the common weapon? Skywarp can teleport, why did he never just grab a nuke, put it into the Autobot base and then pop off to watch the fireworks? If one robot has a cool power that gives them a major advantage, why doesn't every robot have it? Everyone has space bridges, why not drop asteroids on top of the enemy or threaten to obliterate the entire planet unless they get what they want? Why didn't Optimus pound Megatron into scrap when he had the chance, many chances in fact?

Some shit, you just gotta let roll on by  

 

Noseless/long faced Transformers.

The term "rid" as a simple name slap to any new continuity.

Human villains.

The matrix being used as a "get out free" card when all is lost.

Mute Bumblebees

Kids.

 

Just watch the Japanese RID2015 ending, that should help.

 

These are a number of good questions, worthy of their own discussion. I can only agree to them; EMP and magnets should be more common, "outliers" have never interested me, in fact Skywarp is unnecessarily overpowered. It think his power should just be to be able to make quick bursts making him "jump" in whatever direction he is going, making it seem he is teleporting. As for Mirage or Hound, anyone could have their "powers" with simple devices. Etc... Space bridges are large and cumbersome to operate and therefore have limitations in war other than moving troops... perhaps? Of all the above, I still find mass shifting the most annoying, though...