i guess you missed the galvatron flashbacks where bots say primes are unkillable and galvatron proves them wrong

what if the 13 are the originals while all other bots are copies at a molecular level and therefore inferior.

 

Indeed. They're not the first Cybertronians, they're the second generation at best.

Heck, except for Caminus (and possibly the other colonies?), the religions of Cybertronians seem to have *forgotten* about them!

Bots have heard of the tribes, but in the 'Nova united them' sense, he seems to be the oldest Prime known in modern legend by name.

Mentioned Alchemist Prime or Onyx or Nexus, and you get a 'who?'.

 

This may not have something to do with information being forgotten as opposed to it being buried to ensure the status quo.

 

There has been only one True Prime since the Thirteen, Optimus Prime. Nova seems to be just a uniter but doesn't have the Matrix, but the Dark Universe gave him the equivalent, The Heart of Darkness.

Probably Optimus is also the only true Prime since "Knights of Cybertron", since he holds the Matrix of Leadership and the other primes hold something else (Nexus with his Enigma of Combination, Solus with her mallet?)

 

Nova did possess the Matrix of leadership for a time which resulted in the program to create cold constructed transformers though. The matrix was stolen and subsequently hidden by one of Tyrest's proteges because he was appalled at what they were doing.

 

Traditionally a forge, but yes, hammer-shaped.

But Prima had the Star Saber with the Matrix in it's hilt. The Matrix was Prima's item.

I suspect the others in the 13 were annointed by the matrix or something- like how Rodimus seemed to be upgraded from his time with it. Rodimus may not be a Prime per se, but maybe by standards of old he would be.


Hmm... which would mean Thunderclash would as well. And maybe Bee.

 

The art was very nice.

The story fell flat for me. It seemed like the entire issue was about 3 sentences of plot. Perhaps it's the same symptoms of Not-RiD-Anymore which has always had problems for me, or maybe it's that after all this time I'm still not engaged as a reader (unlike MTMTE).

 

So now with Solus confirmed as female, the final nail in the the coffin for the idea Cybertronians are naturally genderless. Thank god, now we can move on with our lives.

 

This.

I think they did great with incorporating the original 13 and thus basically retconning that Arcee was the first female Cybertronian as an experiment. It might have been a male or genderless bot before, but she's female right now and was not the first. That's enough for me. Also I find everything so far is integrated in a good way.

 

Just questioning how those that're saying the Knights precede the 13 Primes arrived at that conclusion? I'm not arguing against it, just asking for the evidence.

I seem to recall Roberts tweeting a rudimentary timeline of the Guiding Hand, Knights of Cybertron, and Thirteen Primes a week or two ago, but that tweet's since been removed, apparently, and I've forgotten the "proper" order.

 

The Guiding Hand of course made Cybertronians originally, the Knights were said to be directly created by the Guiding Hand, they fixed up Cybertron nicely, then went off and left. So that covers the beginning.

The Crucible issue (RiD 34) mentions 'the Age of Gods had ended, but Legends walked the world,' in reference to the time of the Thirteen, clearly placing it after the Hand, and thus by extension, the Knights. Thirteen Primes rose thirteen civilizations, that existed in balance til they fell into war and such. We don't know all the details, but in the end Galvatron killed Nexus Prime and every other Prime save for Trion fled the world.

We have a good grasp of what happened after the Thirteen- Nova and Galvatron, with the help of Alpha Trion and Jhiaxus, united the now leaderless tribes. Nova made the senate. Things started to go south for Nova so he grabbed some of his closest people and split. Then a bit o' chaos (Delta Magnus kept an eye on the matrix at the time), then Nominus, Sentinel, Zeta, Optimus, war, modern day.

 

Maybe Galvatron is actually Megatronus?

 

Huh, so we've got the Great War that started up 4 million years ago, the first Civil War that wrapped up 10 million years ago, and the Titans leaving some unspecified millions of years before the Great War.

I guess my current question is when the colonial Titans left Cybertron. Since the Camiens have knowledge of the original Primes, it would be some point after their creation, but also a point before the first Civil War wiped out the fembots.

Also, this colonial exodus likely occurs some unspecified time after the Knights of Cybertron leave on their own Titan?

 

Not bad. Kind of bummed that Starscream's once again the villain, though I love his conversation on colour schemes with Scoop. The fight between Superion and Menasor was amazing though, it was nice to see Superion had a degree of intelligence. I'm still a little iffy about a few things, but here's hoping for the best.

 

Love the new issue, great action and many funny moments...

 

this^
This indeed

 

Keep in mind that there was once a space bridge network connecting the titan colonies to Cybertron. So it is possible that the colonies formed by the titans could have been founded by the 13 before the first civil war ~10 million years ago.

At the moment I am assuming that the first civil war led to the destruction of that network (or at least temporarily shutdown since Metroplex appears to have reopened it now), hence the colonies being "lost."

 

Galvs seems entirely against this idea

I much prefer the approach IDW is takng where religous and legendary figures remain unconfirmed and the thirteen were leaders not demigods

 

here's a question. Thirteen primes. Thirteen colony ships. Now we know at least some of the Primes weren't on the titans (Nexus ain't going nowhere). But if Alpha's titan left with members of his tribe...why is he associated with Metroplex? Why didn't Metroplex leave? Were there JUST 13 colony ships? Going by the titan graveyard, crystal city and the Necrotitan, dozens of Metrotitans have left Cybertron over the years

 

The original Aligned fiction was just so contrived. IDW, however, has revised the Thirteen as a concept, and made it better. So it's all good.

I assume Nexus Prime's titan just had his "tribe" on it. Galvatron killed off the headmasters. It's logical to assume there were more members of Nexus' tribe beyond those.

As for Metroplex? I just assume that all titans are on amicable terms with the Thirteen. So while Metroplex wasn't associated with Alpha Trion or his tribe he's probably willing to help him, especially if his goal is noble.