Transformers sequel rumors

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by bumblebee22, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. DeathsHead

    DeathsHead Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. I was aware that Batman might not be the perfect example, but the point still stands - Prime was never intended to be a character even as dark as Batman, let alone anything else. The whole point of his existence is to be 'gooder-than-good' and prepared to make the most impossible personal sacrifices for his cause.

    The Transformers films are made for teenage boys and 'young adults'. I'll say that again TEENAGE BOYS. Not kids - kids are a much less financially rewarding revenue stream unless you can get the parents flocking to drag them to the cinema. The kids buy the toys - teenagers buy the movie tickets.

    As such the tone and content of the movies is targetted to the lowest common denominator of this demographic. It's almost standard practice for tent-pole Hollywood stuff these days. Prime is violent because the Tramsformers are violent and that has been established as a valuable commodity - all the youth are playing COD and blowing peoples heads off (on computers) all day.

    Just think aboiut how incredibly violent the TF movies are. Nobody dies easy - heads are split into two, bodies melted, faces torn off. In live action this would be a complete bloodbath. Michael Bay enjoys the fact that he can get away with this because 'it's robots'.
     
  2. CKPRIME

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    Except that end fight, that was totally unbalanced and anticlimactic. Also they processed Cullen's voice too much, its a lot better in later films where its more natural sounding.
     
  3. Datsun87

    Datsun87 Doomed shuttle casualty

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    This. 07 Prime was an excellent take on the character until that very last fight with Megatron. Seeing Prime practically begging Sam to kill him ruined all of that characterization.
     
  4. newbielives

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    Great post !
     
  5. Moy

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    Well said.

    Was Optimus' willingness to self sacrifice anticlamatic?

    Also, I miss the voices from TF1, I prefer the more machine sounds. A good example was the Megatron and Starscream scene, the voices were perfect.
     
  6. Raiyuki

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    I'm probably alone in this but was rather fine with how Optimus was portrayed in the films. I saw him as the leader of a warring faction that he's always been and his increasing burtality being a result of his experiences throughout the films. I don't think they should "go back to the roots" for the sake of making things less dark. That worked in G1 because the show was lighthearted except when it broke it's tone in the movie (that for some people ruined the series).
    And as far as TFP goes Optimus still becomes more and more ruthless in it. Megatron even makes note of it. Also those saying Prime doesn't give Cons a chance, Wheelie and Brains are on his team and both are former cons.
     
  7. webz

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    I think prime was his most believable and "honest" in AOE. Most of the autobots were enjoyable. Bumblebee was a teenager, Hound was a hoot. Only autobot I didn't like was crosshairs. He was too "decepticon" for my taste. Thought he was the weakest character in the film.

    AOE, IMHO, was the best of the movies. It felt like transformers... Even the stupid elements like transformium felt more natural... But the effects sucked. Instead of flying squares, I would have preferred liquid metal transformations...
     
  8. Raiyuki

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    Liquidmetal transformations would've been more g1esque as well.
    I personally liked Crosshairs and disliked childish Bumblebee (mostly because of the IDW comics showing him as a trusted field commander who even had to lead a suicide mission).
    That said AOE was quite believable and I do think DOTM was as well; those two together both give reasons as to why Prime is so ruthless and AOE actually sort of connects to DOTM in that Prime sacrificed quite a bit to defend the humans only to be royally betrayed afterwards.
     
  9. Powerglide1991

    Powerglide1991 Autobot

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    Kinda agree, i understand where they are taking the character, he has been betrayed, once by his mentor, and about twice by humans, he has lost many friends, some by Sentinals hands, some even by humans, he always tried his best in certain situations, yet gets blasted by the Government (Shanghai) he and his team always save the day, yet get no thanks from anyone and still get shafted by the government.

    It's understandable, and certainly realistic, but i wouldn't mind a bit more of 07 Prime.
     
  10. TFW10

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    PC has possible influence of the writers, however many moviegoers go to the movies to see the "dark' " of Transformers.

    Most Transformers' audiences like the "dark"; it shows a different side to the franchise.

    Them changing it, to make kids see it along with their parents, would be nice, but I don't think it will please the older crowd that is used to the first four movies being dark.

    What would be interesting if PC influences the writers to put some RID ideas into the movies.
     
  11. Mechalemmiwinks

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    You know, I liked TF: P. Aside from Beast Wars, it's probably my favorite non-comic incarnation of Transformers.

    And TF: P Prime was ... well ... I wouldn't call him boring. If anything, he was more of a resigned character, after fighting for millions of years and having almost all of his people killed. His lack of aggression in the show was that of someone who was being attacked by a pack of nearly-extinct animals: while the threat is real, you have to pull your punches or there just won't be any Cybertronians left. And some of his decisions were doozies, like when he destroyed the Omega Lock, choosing to keep Cybertron dead to keep Megatron from gaining political power when what was left of the Cybertronian survivors returned to the planet.
     
  12. Chopperface

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    At the end of the day I can accept that this is still Optimus Prime. Despite all his brutality on the battlefield, he is still the warm, loving Autobot leader Optimus Prime is deep down. You can genuinely hear the gratitude and warmth in his voice when he thanks Sam at the end of ROTF. The fact he can balance - or at least try to balance - his humanity with his brutality and willingness to do whatever it takes to protect his team and allies, no matter what happens to him, is something worth admiring. It also makes him one of the most powerful incarnations of Optimus, right up there with Animated and Primal.
     
  13. Galvatross

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    Chopperface gets it. The core of the character is still there; it's just that sometimes he has to fight violently to protect humans and Autobots alike. The universe around him is more treacherous and dangerous than in G1.
     
  14. bellpeppers

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    Right there with you.
    Movie Op is still that same as G1 Op. Just because he has to get his hands dirty occasionally doesn't mean he is no longer noble, or compassionate.
     
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    I'm really hoping that 5 and 6 are good... 4 didn't do it for me... I really liked 3, I loved the way Optimus went all bad ass half way through the movie...

    I really enjoyed where TFP went (although overly simplistic in plot) but I guess on a more morbid note, what I'm getting at is Peter Cullen is starting to get up there in age... I think we're coming down to the last 2 movies that he will realistically be able to voiceover... I hope they do him justice... I don't know how I'll be able to watch Optimus Prime anymore after that when they recast his voice actor... it just wont be right for me...
     
  16. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Pretty Much.
     
  17. Ash from Carolina

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    Perhaps it's just my personal take on characters but it seems that changing an aspect of a character can make them a completely different character even if some of the old aspects are kept.

    In the novel Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter you have many of the details you'd expect out of old Abe. Impoverished childhood, going into law, courting Mary Todd, speeches, the election, the war, and all that. But going around taking the heads off of vampires with an ax makes him very different from the historical Abe even if historical details are there in the book.

    A bit like having Kim Jong Un in The Interview vs Kim Jong Un in a serious film. Both are called Kim Jong Un North Korea's #1 fat boy but the Interview feels like a caricature of Kim Jong Un instead of the actual person.
     
  18. spiritprime

    spiritprime Dudes, I'm a girl!

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    In all four movies, I have seen traces of Optimus' compassion and nobility. His determination to protect his friends and allies always served him well in conflict, in fact it actually got him killed at one point. As it was to be expected.

    It is true that this Optimus is brutal, but he seems extremely determined to end the war as quickly as possible, even if it meant getting his hands dirty. War does strange things to you. It changes you. You see those you care about die around you, even close friends (Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz).

    But to see Optimus go through so much emotional trauma in AOE, that really hit home, especially when he lost control at the sight of Ratchet being turned into scrap. I could hear his anguish, I even feared it at one point! But more importantly, I felt his dillusional distress when he awoke from his slumber. He snapped like a wild animal, trying to protect himself.

    AOE showed just how human he was and I couldn't have asked for a better sense of character development for such a powerful leader who has reached an all time low when humanity has betrayed him not once, but TWICE! I can understand for him being done with humanity until Cade convinces him to see through the junk and look for the treasure deep inside. That took him another step further to regaining his faith in humanity.
     
  19. jestermon

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    If he doesn't want to say what they want him to they will just find someone else to.
     
  20. Galvatross

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    You pretty much describe some of the main reasons I enjoyed AOE much more than its predecessors. It took Prime to a place he's never been before. Also, Ratchet's death, and how Prime reacts to it, really had a huge impact on the movie's tone and story.