That's how I'd prefer them, sure the robots themselves can be complex, but at the same time tell me what TF1 Megatron turns into based off the robot mode or point out some obvious truck parts of AOE Prime, I think CGI can be a wonderful thing, but they're complicated for the point of it in many cases. Now they can be stylized, I'm not asking for G1 2.0 and all transformations cheat to an extent but some are ridiculous.
Going back to Jazz, there are his legs which are complicated but car parts are there, then there are the wheel shoulders but you can tell what's what.

 

Nudity, gore, a lot of cursing, a lot of violence, the usual stuff.

There are R rated animated movies, mostly from the late 70's early 80's.
Heavy Metal is one.
Fritz the Cat is like X or something.
I can't remember if Wizards is or isn't though.

 

That's pretty cool.

 

I don't necessarily agree that an animated film would be the only way to do Transformers justice. With proper storytelling and good direction, the final product would be great. Sadly, Bay isn't that great of a director and Ehren, while writing some characterization in for the bots, can't craft the greatest of plots. And, you know, it apparently doesn't need to make any type of sense.

Same. I love these designs; honestly one of the reasons I support this universe.

I mean, I like them, but I like Movieverse's more. Ironhide's is the only one I don't particularly like from the WFC/FOC verses. His head design in the games makes me cringe.

 

That's the sort of designs I could live with. You have enough of the classic look that who it is automatically jumps out for old fans, but at the same time enough parts to make the transformation look interesting in live action. You've got a bit of complex for people who like complex but also sleek and armored for people who want their robots sleek and armored.

 

I never liked WFC Starscream's head. They came so close to making a neat design, but the head kinda messes it up for me. It has a black helmet like his G1 self, but his actual face is too thin and pointy, like TFP. I think they needed to pick one or the other, lol. It's not horrible, but it's not my favorite either.

 

I'd prefer something along the lines of The Lego Movie. A light-hearted, enjoyable film that I can actually take my kids to, as opposed to a dull and plot-hole ridden mess that's full of bad humor and excessive violence. Something that captures the same feeling that we had when we watched G1 as kids and manages to revamp it for a new generation of fans.
Which, now that I think about it, would probably just be Transformers: Animated as a movie, but my point still stands.
Also, that Jazz design is perfect. Just perfect.

 

I'm all for an R rated movie. I want a tragic, depressing, and dark tale of Optimus Prime doing everything he can to save Earth, only to die alone, unloved, and forgotten, his corpse turned into a bed for Megatron and Elita-1.

But that's just me. I like nihilistic stories of war and loss.

In other news, in a perfect world, I'd want Animated's style, but with the movie's creativity and aesthetic. That way the character's can look interesting, move fluidly, and actually come off as alien robots.

 

This is the kind of designs they should have went with.

 

Exactly. I don't know how Transformers became just another violent PG-13 summer blockbuster, I think the franchise is too good for that.

 

True, but they were also the vast minority even in their time.

 

The Hayao Miyazaki films and the Pixar films really makes me wonder why people think things have to be dark, grim, and "adult" to be good. I found Big Hero 6 a more enjoyable film than a lot of the big live action summer movies.

 

Few films have entertained me like the Lego Movie.

 

Yeah definitely. In my opinion Big Hero 6 was just as fun and action packed as most live action "summer blockbusters", but without all the violence, bad language, and other adult stuff. It was fun and lighthearted, all movies should be about that level, live action or not. I don't really get what people see in "dark, gritty and realistic" movies, I mean, if I wanted to see that, I'd just go turn on the news. When I see a movie, I expect fun! Give me Big Hero 6 over Man of Steel any day!

 

You misunderstand a lot about fiction then.

Dark, gritty, and realistic don't mean what you think they mean. The fact that you want all movies to be like Big Hero 6 or Lego Movie disturbs and confuses me.

Fiction is about escapism, and about experiencing emotion. The fact that you want to cut out other types of fiction and leave only one kind left is ridiculous. Darker stories exist because there are darker people out in the world, but darker has never meant evil. Its never meant bad.

People want characters they can relate with. I am a dark person, despite what I do or say. I like violence. I like swearing. I swear a lot. I like movies like Lego Movie and Kung Fu Panda, but I would never want to watch only those types of movies. I'd tear my own hair with the constant jokes or inability to take a moment seriously over time.

People like 'grim and gritty' because as you grow up your life isn't the colorful paradise you saw in those movies. Are you supposed to think there's something wrong with your life? More realistic stories show that fantasies and adventure can still exist, can still wrap you into them, whether or not you're a child or adult.

The fact that you look out your window and think the world is a dark and depressing place sounds like you need to get out more. Go and experience the world. Talk to people, interact. Go onto a site that gets a lot of crap on the Internet for being weird or scary, and try to learn. I love watching My Little Pony, because while it is a light hearted show, it is capable of making fun of itself and joke about its own concept. At the same time, I love Last of Us for its sheer brutality and grey conflict, crafting one of my favorite games of all time.

I like light hearted heroes. Superman and Captain America are my favorite heroes, but they're at their best (in my opinion) because when they tackle the darker parts of reality, and show that idealism and cynicism can coexist, and even coexist well. I would never want to take away characters like the Punisher, the Authority, or Spawn, even if they don't appeal to me as well.

Sorry to go so off-topic about this, but I've always preached to those that listen that knowing about both halves of life are important. That's part of why I enjoy watching pastel colored ponies talk about life lessons one moment, and another moment enjoy socializing in GuroChan to get to know the various Anons on there.

I'm very adamant about recognizing both sides, and fully believe that disregarding either side is a mistake.

TL;DR: You really need to go watch an R rated film and/or experience more in life.

 

When I say "all movies should be Big Hero 6 level", I'm referring mostly to superhero type action movies. Most superhero stuff started as kids franchises, but now adults are the only ones who can watch these kind of modern movies. Heck, something that started as a kids comic now says it can't even be watched by anyone under 13! Most teenagers probably didn't even read the original comic back then! Look at the Hobbit. It started as a cute children's fairy tale, that Tolkien read to his children, and now it's a dark, violent action movie. I heard that Hobbit 2 was almost rated R for a certain scene.

I'm not saying all movies should be cutesy, and tongue in cheek. I'm saying that Transformers should, because to me, that's what Transformers is, to me, it's a kids show. I'm going to be honest: I'm technically too old for Transformers. The majority of this fanbase is technically too old for Transformers. I should be off watching adult movies. Transformers is a francise about colorful robots who turn into cars, and exist to sell toys to kids. There's no problem with adults liking the franchise. I'm an adult and I like it. But I think adults need to realize Transformers isn't for them. There are plenty of adult franchises out there, and Transformers isn't one of them. Transformers should be made with kids in mind first which is where movies like Big Hero 6 prevail.

As for the rest of it, I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you about R rated movies and such. I think that people have the right to like and watch pretty much whatever they want, but I don't believe that watching R rated movies, or visiting scary websites is in any way a mark of maturity. On the contrary, to me developing our own interests is a mark of maturity. I'll be honest, I generally enjoy animated movies just as much as live action. Yes, I've heard adults, and even teenagers scoff, and say "caroons, those are so kiddy, and dumb", but guess what, I enjoy them, and will keep on enjoying them, because that's what I like. I will probably never see an R rated movie, and I'm proud to tell my friends so. It's part of my personality. I don't believe watching R rated movies makes a person more mature, or experienced. if people want to watch them, each to their own, but its not my cup of tea, and i dont see why it should be. From what I hear, a lot of horror (aka: gore) movies are even more dumb and plotless than most action summer blockbusters, which is saying a lot. You mentioned going to "weird or scary websites and learn". How exactly do I learn? If I wanted to learn, I'd go to a history, or science website and learn something useful, not a bunch of paranoia fuel. Again, R-rated/scary/violent =/= mature, just another personal interest.

 

For superheroes, the characters grew up with the original audiences. Those kids that read those older comics can now see their favorite characters on the live action screen, in a world that they can relate to or feel inspired by. As for the Hobbit, I don't know much about Tolkein, but Lord of the Rings wasn't for kids as far as I know, and the studio wanted to do a prequel for it. Thus, the Hobbit getting darker. Despite that, at least the first movie (the only one I saw), has a childlike sense of fun at times, with the dwarves swinging and pounding their hands on a table as they throw food at each other.

And for the kids? They have books, cartoons, and videogames for them, until the parent feels they're ready for a PG-13 film.

So is everyone else on this site, more likely than not.

No, you should be watching what you enjoy.

What people want is for a franchise to grow with them. Fans want a series that can appeal to a darker background, but still have a sense of cool, action. Which Transformers has done (IDW and the movies, to me atleast).

The issue isn't that you're watching something meant for kids or adults. Most people don't care about that. No one on this site certainly cares. The issue is you disregarding an entire half of the spectrum.

What people say to you about animated films being for kids, you're saying about gritty films being just the local news.

Its not about watching a gorefest. Its about understanding why it appeals to people.

 

*Sees all the arguing about movies*
"Why so serious?"
Kidding.
How about TV shows like Batman the Animated Series? It was dark, but not in your face dark, it had action, it had jokes for kids and jokes for adults and other adult things, (Harley Quinn nude in a pie) but the show was aimed at kids, and is, in my opinion, the best incarnation of Batman ever. (And the best Joker too.)

PS: Animaniacs, a kids show, had dick jokes, and nobody lost their mind because the jokes weren't in your face and kids couldn't understand them.

 

I think the designs scene in WFC and FOC would look really dumb next to a human.