age of extinction question

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  1. Trans4mers Fan

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    Hi when the dinosaurs were cyberformed why was that the only place in the world they found them like that?
     
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    yes,I do not think that they launch seeds worldwide
     
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    Assumably the 'creators' harvested most of the metal they cyberformed, so there weren't a lot of skeletons to find.

    Yeah it doesn't make a lot of sense, I know.
     
  4. adamid4

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    ^Most were likely harvested, makes perfect sense, and any left over likely eroded away (Transformers/metal ages/rusts/decays). Frozen environment would be the only place to really preserve it. But I'm not 100% sure how metal reacts preservation wise to being frozen.
     
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    One has to assume much of what was left behind was largely a small percentage of what was flash-frozen in the metal.

    As Darcy said, there wasn't much of it to find.

    Though one has to wonder...just how much Transformium is needed to make a man-made Transformer? The process of making them is still an enigma.

    Joyce mentioned they were scanning vehicles, so in a sense, are they having the system just reform parts using the Transformium metal, or is it like XMEN:D ays of Future Past, where Magneto just adds some extra metal of his own into the Sentinels?
     
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    Metals are elemental or mixes of elements (i.e., alloys). Presumably, Transformium is a new element. Metals don't "decay". The metal itself can be eroded and dispersed (e.g., through wind or water) or oxidize (e.g., rust). But being frozen isn't really going to do much of anything, since most metals don't melt at ambient temperatures or are susceptible to bacteria and such.

    The explanation is either: 1) presumably mostly harvested, or 2) another unexplained Bay-ism.
     
  7. adamid4

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    Why a Bay-ism? You just explained being frozen wouldn't really do anything and likely preserve it.

    Maybe add #3?
     
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    By "frozen wouldn't do anything" I mean being frozen would not affect it in any special way and therefore wouldn't be the explanation why that sample stayed while no other samples were found. A metallized dinosaur would have as much chance being preserved in the artic as it would in the desert.
     
  9. adamid4

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    Hmmmm, I don't really buy that, being encased in ice at a low temp should be far better preservation than a desert. Just in a common sense way. Maybe your meaning just a pure heat environment? Deserts have fluctuating temps, and weather elements which could cause rusting, erosion etc. They pull mammoths out of frozen tundra that are almost intact and they are biological matter.

    Granted not metal 65 million year old mammoths.
     
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    Mammoths and metal are hugely different. Being frozen prevents/degrades organic decay, which is primary bacterial in origin. Metal is not susceptible to decay. Ice, being water contains a fair amount of reactive oxygen, capable of oxidizing metals. A desert tends not to have too much water. Once a metalized dinosaur gets covered over (whether by ice, sand, or sediment) it stay preserved just fine-- without ice being special in any way. Heat fluctuations, in the range seen with earthly environments is relatively trivial for most metals.

    Again, there's no reason to conclude that being frozen is going to be the reason why that one metal dinosaur was preserved while no others were. It isn't an organic mammoth, it's a giant hunk of metal.
     
  11. adamid4

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    Ah so encased in sand under a desert. That still has got to be warmer than ice and allow for water leaching into the ground oxidizing the metal, where solid ice doesn't allow that process.
     
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    it was 65 million years ago. the continents of North America and Europe were still attached. Then the plates began to shift and any transformium that was around was either swallowed by the ocean or buried .
     
  13. adamid4

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    Probably this. I'm sure it was meant to be the oddball chance of how the cyberformed dinosaurs could have been preserved.

    I look at in a anological way as how they found soft bone marrow in that T-Rex bone a while back. Something that was supposed to be near impossible to have happened but did.