I do think most of the hate is purely Bay focused. If (insert random other director) did TF1-4 exactly the way they are now, most of the whiners would love the movies.

 

'Cause I can't resist seeing robots going at it. At least it's better than DOTM.

 

So people can complain because they want to feel good.

 

Because only a small number of movie goers think they are bad which only make up a fraction of its audience and that is Critics and Haters. People who actually like this film overwhelm those numbers and they consists mostly of people who don't have accounts here.

 

the movie is bad...but it has heavenly visual effects...enough to make you see the movie

 

I'm going to disagree with the theory that the only reason people hate the film is because Bay directed the films. That you could do everything the exact same way with a different director and everyone would love all four films.

People hated Green Lantern and Bay didn't have any connections to that film. People hated the live action Avatar the Last Airbender and other than hiring an actor from that turkey later on there isn't a connection to Bay. Too many films with too many angry fans to think that Transformers couldn't be hated if Bay wasn't attached to the film.

I just have a hard time thinking people would be jumping for joy over a Transformers movie with so little robot time in overly long movies just because you changed it from all the times Bay's name appears in the credits to directed by Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, or the ghost of Cecil B DeMille.

 

Maybe it's because people are tired of seeing the Decepticos being curbstomped over and over, while the Autobots are way too overpowered. Or maybe it's because the plot is so shitty that it makes critics threw up. Better yet, maybe it' because as long as Bay continues to direct a Transformers film it'll always be a disgusting piece of wasted potential. Seriously though, they need to just completely start over. I really do wish wish sometimes that Hasbro or whoever makes the Tformers film would just stop and think for a moment that not little kids watch this stuff.

 

I've asked this question over and over and over and never gotten an answer. No one knows why these haters keep watching it.

 

Hilarious. So convinced that the rest of the world is just deluded or being pretentious or whatever. It must be such a burden being one of the only genuine people in the universe, eh?

The very fact that I consistently FORGET (or mentally block out) how awful and unredeeming these movies are, and end up convincing myself that I should check out the new one "just as a fun no-brainer" indicates quite the opposite. Each time, I'm ready to give Bay the benefit of just being an easy popcorn director. And then after watching each film, there comes that head-shaking, incredulous realization that I've been tricked (or worse, tricked myself) once again. These movies almost cause me physical pain.

Tearing them apart after the fact is a form of therapy, some way of debriefing and processing the overwhelming regret, and attempting to restore some sane order to things by way of catharsis. But truthfully, you haven't seen me around these parts that much since 2007, and the reason is that the crappiness of these movies is too big... much bigger than me. It's like staring at the sun, or creating a topology of Lovecraftian horror. There's no way to fully encapsulate how bad they are in words, even for someone as prone to circumlocution as I am. Any attempt to fully engage in a holistic critique becomes tautological folly, and will only eventually lead to madness.

Um. This thread is full of answers. Maybe actually listening would answer your question... no?

It's a more bit demanding on short attention spans than watching a Michael Bay film, but, I figure you should be able to manage it.  

zmog

 

Sheer Blind ****ing Hope!

And why shouldn't we go? These are the only Transformers there are, of course fans are not going to be able to resist watching. And after they have every right to judge the movie on its merits and shortcomings, and come to a Transformers discussion board to discus it!

Personally, these movies are worth watching at the Cinema. They're designed for cinema! I have my beer and my popcorn, and just enjoy the spectacle, I don't focus on the weak aspects, it's wastes my ticket money.

But once I get a movie home I expect a bit more sense in the storytelling, character logic, and shot to shot coherence. That said, I found that I did still quite enjoy AOE the second time on DVD. I don't know what that means, haha, all the flaws from the trilogy are still present, did I inure to it?! I have to see if I can sit through ROTF, but even the thought of that makes me stressed!

 

See, this is a great example of something that sort of bothers me in the movie forum. We've got two camps of people, on both sides of the proverbial aisle, and both camps think that if people in the other camp hold a different opinion from theirs, that the reasoning why must be inscrutable and there must be some unfathomable mental defect in those people. You know, instead of actually reading what people are actually saying and giving it a shred of thought.

Oh, they like the movies? They must be immature without any taste.

Oh, they didn't like the movies? They must be insane "haters".

I mean, come on kid, you've got multiple pages in this very thread where people talk about why they went to see the movies, and the best you can say is "No one knows why these haters keep watching it." Up your game, man.

 

That's BS (at least for the most part, it probably does apply to a very small percentage of narrow minded people). Transformers Movies don't piss me because Bay made them. Bay pisses me off because he keeps making lacklustre Transformers movies. If Bay made a genuinely spectacular Transformers movie, I'd be the first on here praising how he finally pulled his head out of his ass!

 

Yes.

 

Not without ANY taste. Just DIFFERENT taste.

Different, inferior taste.  

C'mon... let's accept it... at a certain point, when you feel strongly enough about a subject, it's also going to inform your opinion of other people who have a radically different opinion on the topic. Sure, these are just blockbuster movies, so it doesn't necessarily say something about whether you're a good person or not, but at a certain point, it's fair that we judge each other to some degree based on our opinions, and how we support and express them.

I agree it would be nice if we could have a slightly more intelligent, civilised, and generous discussion about these things, but on the other hand... it's been 7 years since the first Bayformers movie. Why start now?  

zmog

 

Yet you keep going back for more.
Whatever bro.

I'll freely admit to being too simple minded the understand and appreciate the complexities of the highly evolved individual who dislikes them and yet voluntarily go back to its sequels knowing how bad it will be to do your part in funding more sequels that you will hate.

It matters not to me that people dislike the films. Heck, I thought AoE was a major step back in quality, and won't ever pretend that these will ever compare to a Nolan film; but if I don't like something I won't go back for more. That's the simple solution. That's the common sense solution.

 

Ya know what? I think I will bump an old thread to see how irrational people can be.

 

People have provided a lot of answers. Brand loyalty, peer pressure, the hope that the little changes might be enough, trailers that make it look like the film is offering up something more interesting this time, there was nothing else new out and they had an afternoon to kill, watching to have something new to complain about.

Maybe you just didn't like any of the answers so you've ignored the attempts that have been made to answer your question.

I mean flip it around and lets say someone who just despised the films posted the question of why do people like these films? But then ignored all the answers because somewhere deep down they just couldn't accept that people have reasons to like the films.

Part of why the debates seem to get so nasty because the two sides are stuck on this idea that the people who think differently than they do don't have legitimate reasons to think like they do.

 

Well considering how us "whiners" are the bad ones for having an opinion, I sure feel offended by that!
Would people hate the Star Wars prequels is it had been made the same by the Reverse-Lucas? Would The Dark Knight Trilogy be so praised if Michael Bay directed that in the same way it WAS made? Why does that question bloody matter? There's just a large group of people, some like me who hadn't heard of Bay before Transformers, and hated every sexual reference, plot ignorance and growling excuse of a character because it was directed by Michael flippin Bay. Maybe I hold characterisation above explosions, would remove the war itself, to see a Decepticon speak, doesn't even have to be English, the whole film could be subtitled Cybertronain talk if there was more than "Damn I'm good", "I am Megatron" "OH GOSHDARNDIGGITY NO NO NO" "I am sciencey and can tell you want to reproduce with her because science" "Can I shoot it" etc. Perhaps, films can be honestly disliked by others who happen to vocalise, maybe some just live and let live, but no, it's some silly hate based on the fact it's Michael Bay. Perhaps I enjoyed any one Muppet movie more than this, perhaps a film can make money, have action and still have character (Marvel perhaps? Im sure they're popular for more reasons than not Michael Bay) and maybe they were starting fresh, new actors and all that, and while better in MY OPINION, AOE was still not a GOOD film, and if Michael Bay is blamed, sure some would have some existing hate of his films, and maybe so because I doubt Peter Cullen is what annoyed us "whiners" to complain. Me personally it's the generalisation of a whole lotta people combined with a question answered quite a lot in this thread alone.
Now excuse me, I'm going to a thread where I can say "I wish X Optimus was different" without having my head bitten off because of it. Ta ta then.

 

There's no excuse for not knowing what movie 4 would be. There have been 3 previous films to show you. If you didn't like the the others, odds are you wouldn't like this one. If the same crew makes 5, then the only thing more irrational than watching it would be having sympathy on those who chose to go it again

 

Why don't you go look at the sales figures of the Twilight movies and ask that question again?

Complaining about the movies but still watching them anyway certainly demonstrates some flawed logic, but so does that argument.