Would Regeneration One have been better if...

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  1. Omegashark18

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    It had one more arc. Issues 96-100 would've been focused on Jhiaxus, just without the speedy ending. And then there would be a final arc featuring the battle with against the Dark Matrix, #101-105. That way the conclusion wouldn't have been so quick.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    It would have been better if IDW didn't jump the gun and made TFA Season 4 instead.
     
  3. Bass X0

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    Regeneration One was only supposed to go up to #100. Thats kind of one of its gimmicks. #100 and no higher.

    RG1 would have been better if it didn't waste time being slow to develop at the beginning and dropped pointless story arcs / scenes that didn't really need to be told in as much detail as we got. As it is, the last arc was rushed and it was the one that needed to be told in detail.

    And the artwork was terrible. The retro covers were awesome though and I wished the interior art was that quality.
     
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    Yep. I wish IDW was just straight with us and just told us they were doing RG1. I wasn't at the panel where they asked fans to choose, but I heard that an Animated Season 4 comic got much more cheers.
     
  5. El Zilcho

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    IMO, RG1 would have been better with one less arc - specifically, the "Gene Key" thing. I think if Furman had left out the entire "Gene Key" story, nothing of value to the overall plot would have been lost and he would have had more space to wrap up the Jhiaxus storyline, as well as expand the final battle with the Dark Matrix creature.

    And I'm glad they didn't do an Animated Season 4 comic. The Marvel continuity was far more deserving of a wrap-up.
     
  6. Maverick Hunter Christian

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    Pretty much this. The Scorponok/Gene Key arc spread across what, five issues? ...and even then, it only half filled those books, the other half was spent setting up the other dozen or so plots that would take hold in the book after the fact. All the Gene Key arc did was sully Zarak-Scorponok's heroic sacrifice in the battle against Unicron. Even the key-affected Autobots who turned themselves into custody for their actions? They were pressed right back into service in subsequent issues without so much as a word to their PTSD.

    So yeah. Regen didn't need additional issues. It needed serious trimming in its opening acts. Take the whole Gene Key arc and toss it in the bin. Take all the rest of the remaining plot points that were established in those books, smash it down into three issues instead of five and you've got a whole other two issues at the back end to give the Jhiaxus and Dark Matrix entity stories a less truncated ending.
     
  7. Magnus' Mate

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    Would've been better as an actual continuation of the original series, rather than Furman's greatest hits. The two are NOT the same thing.
     
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    If they hadn't ruined some of the great characters the original run had given us.

    Scorponok was turned into a one dimensional villain not the conflicted hero he originally turned out to be.

    Thunderwing was just an empty plot device. IDW's Stormbringer had already ruined him in a similar manner.

    Spike was turned into a third rate imitation of the always annoying Circuit Breaker. He was much more interesting as a reluctant hero with the cool Fortress Maximus secret identity.

    I've never liked Kup and the Wreckers and their arc was painfully dragged out. With no explanation as to what happened to Topspin and Leadfoot added as a nod to Dark Of The Moon's Wreckers. Megatron deserved a better fate than being stranded on earth falling further into madness.

    I did like Rodimus Prime and Bludgeon.

    It would have been nice to see newer characters like Kick Off get major roles. Would also have been nice to see neo g1 characters retroactively added like Acid Storm and Drift.

    The artwork really left it down.

    Sorry to be so negative. I was glad to see it continue on. It's just a shame it wasn't better. Given that he grew up on the Marvel comics, I'd have loved to see James Roberts write Regeneration.
     
  9. noblekale

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    1: Remove the genekey arc entirely and, if they REALLY wanted Scorpinok in it, have him be a third party to Soundwave and Bludgeon's teamup. With Scorpinok being the production part of the trio, Bludgeon being the military part, and Soundwave being the Cybertron part, it would have made the battle more epic. And if they really needed Grimlock to be part of it, have the same thing happen, but instead of doing the gene key, he's forced to lead Scorpinok's troops/be a sabateur. It doesn't change much, plus it builds up that part of the battle more.

    2: If they wanted to pull the Jhiaxus-politician angle, have him swoop in and "save" the autobots at the end and try to unite Cybertron (under his rule, naturally) into The Hub. This way, this all works together into one cohesive story.

    3: The mutating Cybertronian thing...gone. I get they wanted to show the Dark Matrix being a major threat, but there's other ways to do it. Have it start invading their minds and causing them to join it, or something similar. No reason for the "turns into a black whatever" thing. You still have the same side effect of murdering mass quantities of 'bots and 'cons, but this time you KNOW what's going on.

    4: The final showdown, be more epic. If they want to sacrifice Optimus at the end, have the final part of the battle be akin to Onslaught: Optimus absorbs the DM entity and, once Rodimus seals the rip and blocks their universe off forever, forced to kill Optimus to save the rest of the universe.

    It felt like too many things being pulled in too many directions, and not one cohesive final story. Had they brought everything together in a logical fashion, while somewhat maybe predictable, it would have felt and flowed better, rather than disjointed issues where too much happens, and some where not enough happens.
     
  10. Haywired

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    1 - Drop the gene-key arc entirely because it served nothing.
    And leave Scorponok dead as he was in the comic G1 proper.
    Don't bring great character back only to spoil him.
     
  11. Maverick Hunter Christian

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    ...did he? I dunno. I recently re-read most of the Marvel run ...and Marvel Megatron kinda sucks out loud.

    He gets his ass handed to him by Shockwave, gets super depressed after Prime dies, then goes SUPER CRAZY and hurls himself at an exploding space bridge, then wanders around Cybertron as an amnesiac bum for a while ...then, after "getting his shit together," his grand plan to retake the Decepticons starts with rebuilding Starscream? Dude. WHAT? Then he gets sucked into another exploding space bridge portal thingy and winds up fused to Ratchet. Then after all that finally gets sorted out, he gets yelled at by Galvatron just in time for them all to be buried alive as the Ark plummets back to earth. Again.

    The performance Megatron turned in, in Regen was about right up his alley -- all things considered.
     
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    That`s why I like megatron in g2 because he finally got his stuff together. The problem I had with rg1 was that it`s focus was mostly on furman`s favorite characters like grimlock,rodimus prime,ultra magnus and shockwave and starscream. The other autobots and decepticons here were wasted with going nowhere plans and the ending should have been a final battle between autobots and decepticons. The matrix creature in my opinion was a story that was already dead after the original run, that ultra magnus/galvatron fight sucked because galvatron just stood there it should have been an even loss on both sides with magnus getting it too, and anybody notice that no autobot bothered to get the ark back. If furman came out with a great run believe me I would give him a pat on the back.
     
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    Would have been better if what happened to the Transformers after G1/G2 remained in our imaginations like it had for 20 years.
     
  14. BlueFlame

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    Yeah, they shouldn't have disregarded the G2 series.
     
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    ^Point.
    Can't say G2 was the best TF comic books ever, but it was part of the continuity for a very long time. Well, it actually still is if taking RG 1 as an alternative continuity, but G2 Jhiaxus was more fleshed out that RG1 one.
    And it was obvious that story was far from being closed.
    There were bigger loose ends left after G2 than after G1.

    Plus, the Matrix spawn was hardly a loose end in need for any epic closure, after G1. The Deatbringer was done, no reader was looking and expecting anything more out of it. The same was about the Matrix spawn possessing Thunderwing. And finally, a big oversight was that Matrix of creation was presumably rebuilt along with powermaster Optimus Prime. It was Furman's own initial assumption when he rolled with it in G2.
    There was no need to retcon it into Thunderwing's corpse being the only remains of the Matrix.

    So, the gene-key, the Bludgeon's/Soundwave's drone army and the very Matrix spawn plots looked forced.
    Galvatron/Ultra Magnus fight was kinda recap of Marvel UK G1. It was nice, but we saw it before.
     
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    1. As others have said, drop the 'Gene Key' arc, including Scorponok's appearance as a whole. His death at Unicron's hands was a great moment in the original comic, showing the character's development he and Zarak gradually became one. Bringing him back in full "Muhahaha, evil plan!" mode rendered it null.

    2. The story as a whole needed to be more cohesive, IMO. Each five-issue arc just turned into "which Decepticon leader are we going to bump off next?", with very little connecting them.

    3. Jhiaxus. Either do something properly with him, or drop him altogether. He felt shoehorned in to the story.

    God, I wish they'd done Animated S4 instead. :( 
     
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    I think I had a lot of hope for the ReG1 series and think that GeneKey thing was a wasted story arc that went no where. Jhiaxus, if your gonna blow off all of G2, then why even go there. The Dark Matrix Entity seemed kinda forced into the storyline as an end cap to the series. Didn't Prime purge the Matrix when he blew Unicron all to hell; only to have Furman bring it back Mcguffin style.
    I would have like to seen more of the Fortmax/Spike angle and how they would relate to one another now he is CircuitSmasher. A rebuilt Thunderwing as a main villain, fueled by the DarkMatrix would have been good. He didn't really get the return he deserved in #75. Galvatron should have been handled better as well. I think Flint Dille or James Roberts would have handled things better. I think most of the Fandom is getting tired of Furman and the same old stuff, just being rehashed to pump out a few more comics before people get burned out on stale stories. But of course it could just be me.
     
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    This is why I never bought an issue. Had they not I would have been all over this series
     
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    To be honest, I felt like there was too much being rushed to make the final issue count that it didn't give them enough time to really come to a proper conclusion.

    I think the 'because I'm evil' point in Jhiaxus' containment cube execution streak at the end was a bad way to undo what they started with the gene key story. Bringing back the Autobot Headmasters just so they could be killed in a cube was a typical 'clear the board' move to narrow down the cast to the primary characters.

    I would have liked to have seen more fallout of the Last Autobot's destruction at the opening other than a couple of word balloons between the Wreckers and the ensuing threat of Marshal Law.

    Moreover I feel like some things were Furman's opinion on what IDW's books have done. such as Megatron killing Springer was his way of saying "this is what I would have done in Last Stand of the Wreckers." Not to mention the obvious glaring throwback at his own work with the showdown-out-of-nowhere (according to the Marvel stories) between Soundwave and Blaster which was unresolved from his "Spotlight Blaster" book.
     
  20. HasTok_WFCTX_106492

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    The fans each have their own opinion and not all will agree with each other, some like rg1 others hate it and so on.The problem I had was that many characters were wasted on silly plots like the gene key and the matrix creature plus the let down ending, and one got the impression that furman was trying to conclude the US/UK comics together in one continuity. As many have seen some of the UK stories didn`t match the US version, like ultra magnus and the wreckers in the UK version and totally missing in the US version. Another thing I saw was the mention of sparks in rg1 which never existed in both marvel g1 comic and the cartoon.