His name is Galvatron because that's his name in the whole transformers universe! WHEN MEGATRON DIES HE BECOMES GALVATRON. (with the exception of Beast Wars and IDW publishing

 

I dont think you can take Galvatron "beeing" Megatron too literally. Galvatron has a similar agenda and goals, but I dont think you can really say hes Megatron. He has a new spark, a new body, a new origin. Something of Megatron is surely in there, but Galvatron is not really Megatron. Hes more like Megatrons last will given life.

 

Of course it's Megatron. Like I've said before Brains explains it in the movie that Megatron survived and manipulated the humans to create a new body for him (Galvatron) and when the time was right he would take over the new body.

When you say it's not Megatron, even Brians says just because he's going by the name Galvatron now he's still Megatron inside.

 

Only reason he really gained the name the way he did is because they couldn't find another way to explain him choosing a new name. So despite it logically making little sense to pick a human-given name when he hates humans - he decides to do it for the sake of referencing his prior versions.

And ROTF... and countless other situations...

 

Welllllll. Um. It's called science fiction. I love it when people sweat the details, cuz it's stuff that could never be possible. I'm guilty of it at times, and I realize that things could make more sense as far as the narrative goes.... But ya gotta step back and realize...it's not real, they can do what they please with it...the sky is the limit when you're talking about living robots.

 

He's effectively Megatron, to the characters and as far as the movie goes, but the real Megatron is dead. That one has gone to whatever place dead robots go in these movies, spiritually speaking. Not the first time there's been two Megatrons.

 

Of course it's Megatron, I've said this countless times but Megatron wasn't dead, he survived the encounter in Dark of the Moon but remained a non-functioning and immobile head but he managed to influence the creation of Galvatron to serve as a new body for himself. I mean it's bit hard for a dead robot to do that isn't it??

 

To quote BW Megatron.

"New Packaging....Same Loser"

 

Your analogy doesn't work because that's not at all what I was doing. I would normally encourage you to question things in these movies rather than blindly accept them. The only reason I'm saying to just accept it here is because there's nothing to question.

The point of asking a question is because you don't know the answer. And there are a lot of things in these movies that I would question because I don't know the answer to them. However in this case, you're given the answer before you even asked the question. You didn't like the answer so you're asking the question demanding a better answer. You don't ask questions you already know the answer to. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you can change it. Hence, you just have to accept it.

What irrelevant philosophies? I'm not speaking philosophical here nor has anything I've said been irrelevant to the discussion. It's relevant and pretty straight forward.

Which is that Galvatron was manipulating the humans. Strange that you would start a statement with that phrase when your entire argument is based around ignoring what the film tells us.

The part you made up is that Galvatron just happen to be in the right place at the right time. That the humans all on their own decided to make a deal with Lockdown to get the Seed when the movie clearly tells us otherwise.

Really... do you want to read back what you just wrote and maybe see what you did wrong there? Here I'll help you out with that.

You asked a question. "Where is the manipulation of KSI, I don't see it." I rephrased it a bit obviously but that's still the same question. The problem here is that in the very next sentence you answered it in two words, "off screen".

Do you not understand what off screen means? Because if it's off screen of course you're not going to see it. It's not hidden or made up as you put it. They said there was manipulation, we did not see any manipulation, there for it happened off screen. The fact that we were told about it but didn't see it is exactly what off screen means.

The fact is, we know that it was Galvatron's idea to get the Seed. He planted the idea for the humans to get it from Lockdown. We don't know how he did that because we never saw it happen. That is in fact manipulation because the humans thought it was their idea and had no idea they were actually doing what Galvatron wanted them to.

What you're trying to assert, is that the humans already made the deal with Lockdown before Galvatron was even online and he just happen to take advantage of the situation rather than what the movie tells us which is that he orchestrated the whole thing.

You keep trying to assert that I'm the one taking this too seriously... From where I sit, you're the one taking it too seriously. I don't think that means what you think it means. You're the one sitting there over analyzing a work of fiction. When you spend time trying to figure out something rather than just accepting it for what it is, that's called taking it too seriously. Your statement that "it's just fiction" is what I was trying to explain to you when you came back at me with that religious nonsense. Everything you're accusing me of, the meaningless philosophy, the taking a work of fiction too seriously, that's exactly what you're doing.

You're comparing me to a religious nut... that's meaningless philosophy. It's meaningless because the comparison doesn't even make any sense, they're nothing alike. It's philosophy because you're trying to make analytical comparisons rather than just speaking clearly what you mean.

That entire quote up there... yeah I should saying that to you. In fact I have been saying that from the start of this conversation. That's what "just accept it" means. The fiction says that's what happened, so that's what happened. There no reason to think anything different.

If you really want to analyze the movie without sounding like a crazy nut job taking it too seriously... instead of asking "Where was the manipulation, I don't see it" you should be asking "How where they manipulated?" The fact is, they were manipulated, we know this is the case because the movie said it is. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The movie isn't going to show us every little deal.

Now if we actually had an answer to the question "how where they manipulated" and it still didn't fit with what manipulation actually means like you claim, then we could move onto your question. But the fact is, you can't make that claim because nothing in the movie indicates that was the case.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence for absence? That doesn't even make sense. You're stringing words together but they aren't forming any kind of structure. You might as well be typing out words in a totally random order at this point. Yoda speaks more clearly than whatever you just said.

Again, there is nothing philosophical about my post. All I'm saying is that you're making a claim without any evidence to back it up. You claim that they used the word "manipulated" wrong. You are now claiming that they didn't make up that word and they can't just assign their own meaning to it. Who ever said they made it up? No one is saying that, so why do you even need to point that out? Who said they could assign their own meaning to it or that they even did that at all? Again, no one so why bring it up? Oh yeah, because you're still trying to assert that they used it wrong even though there's no evidence in the movie to back it up.

See you're comparing me to a religious nut and yet you're the one sitting there making claims with no evidence to support it. How do you know they're using that word wrong? We don't even see how Galvatron supposedly manipulated them, Brains just tells us it happened so there's no possible way you could know that. Sense there is NOTHING in the movie to contradict that statement there is NO reason to question it. Yet you're questioning it anyway. Which is, taking it way too seriously.

We are told that Galvatron manipulated the humans, there is nothing to indicate that's not what happened, no reason to question that statement, and so, you should just accept it. It's just a movie, there's no point in questioning what happened when there's literally nothing there to even question in the first place.

Dude, the only reason I'm giving you attitude is because you gave me attitude. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. I just told you something very simple and straight foreword. It's just a work of fiction, don't take it so seriously. That's the meaning of what my original post was. There was nothing philosophical about it. It wasn't me taking it too seriously. You were talking it too seriously, that's why I posted in here to begin with. Again, everything you're accusing me of doing, is exactly what you are doing.

Are you kidding me? That's literally the title of the thread and you're claiming you don't care about it, that you've never argued about it? You claimed that I'm driving the thread off topic and yet that is what this topic was originally made for. If you don't care about Galvatron's name then what the hell are you doing in a thread titled "Galvatron shouldn't be called Galvatron".

You said I was going off topic but that is the topic and you just said you were never a part of it. That means you're the one driving this thread off topic. Again you're the one doing what you accused me of doing. How am I driving the thread off topic when according to what you just wrote, I'm the only one in this conversation between the two of us actually discussing the thread topic?

And I just reminded you that Brains never actually told us HOW Galvatron was manipulating the humans. So your assumption that manipulation is not what he described happened is wrong because he never described what happen. He told us how Megatron was recreated as Galvatron, he told us that KSI was building their own transformers, but he never said how Galvatron was manipulating the humans to get the Seed, he only said that he was never how.

What philosophy? I never freaking said anything philosophical. All I said was that there is nothing here worth discussing because the entire debate rests on the idea that manipulation was used wrong. There is no evidence to support it. Brains said that Galvatron was manipulating the humans, there is nothing to contradict that statement, so why are you sitting there questioning it rather than just accepting what the fiction tells us happened? That's not being philosophical, that's stating the facts plain and simple.

You don't like the explanation they gave in the movie so rather than just accepting it, you made up your own. If we were talking about something that didn't make sense in the movie, then I'd be all for questioning it but we're not. We're talking about something that Brains tells us very clearly and you're still questioning it based on NOTHING. Again, not philosophy, it's plain and simple fact.

You claim I'm the one taking this too seriously and yet, I'm the one who originally advocated the idea that "It's just fiction, who the hell cares?" If you're not taking it too seriously, then why can't you just accept what Brains says as true rather than questioning it for no freaking reason. That's being realistic and realizing that it's just a work of fiction so why the hell do you care?

If you don't care, then why are you investing time in the discussion and insulting me for disagreeing with you rather than just accepting these facts.

As for jumping ship a long time ago... I don't think that means what you think it means either. If you jumped ship you wouldn't still be here to tell me that you jumped ship and this conversation wouldn't still be going on. It's amazing how much you say you're not doing that you in fact are. First not caring about Galvatron's name, now the idea that you're not even having this conversation anymore when you're clearly still here and you clearly do care about Galvatron's name. Kinda hard to be involved in this conversation in the first place if you don't even care about it.

 

Yeah!
If Megatrons mind is inside a new body/head why on earth would he go by Galvatron? Man Megatron literally downgraded himself to the weakest villain ever.

 

You will always say this. Brains has brainwashed you.  

 

Yeah your right, Brains has definitely brainwashed me!  

But it's definitely a fact.

 

I don't know what's funnier SaberPrime, the fact that you revive a dead thread so you can intellectually "prove" something to me or anyone (When I made it clear I don't care.), or the fact that you think I created this forum account to entertain your ego. Plz let's both not waste our times.

 

I figure Galvatron named himself to be honest and placed it in the system seeing as how he was clearly manipulating every other part of his construction why not? As for why well because of the fact that he was so brutally murdered twice and got fucked up at every turn the guy figured for his rebirth he needed a new persona ya know? That's my headcanon on the subject at least.

 

Yeah I think Megatron named himself Galvatron because he obviously manipulated the whole creation anyway hence why the face looks so much like his in the previous films so I'm guessing his name change was a part of the whole take over as well.

 

I think he should be called megamichaelbayrobot

 

Technically Movie Megatron was ALREADY the weakest villain ever so that's not really a downgrade. Actually, he did way more in this movie as Galvatron than he EVER did as Megatron. Also, this is the only movie where he got away without a scratch on him.

First movie, spent the majority of the movie frozen in ice while Starscream lead the Decepticons, was killed by a human.

Second movie, took orders from the Fallen, had half his face ripped off by Optimus Prime.

Third movie, took orders from Sentinel Prime, was killed AGAIN this time by Optimus Prime.

Fourth Movie, manipulated humans into getting the seed for him, turned Stinger and other unnamed human created transformers into his own personal army, and was never killed or damaged in any way.

So he's actually the leader and he isn't easily killed or damaged this time. How is that a downgrade? The only downside is that he still spends the majority of the movie not actually doing anything because he's pretending to be controlled by humans. With that being said, he's still doing more on his own than in any of the previous movies. The first movie because he was frozen and the sequels because he was always taking orders from someone else. Galvatron isn't a total push over like Megatron was. That's a freaking upgrade.

 

yea, but he is. lol get over it.

 

Perhaps. He could have been called Motormaster, or Nemesis Prime.

But he was named Galvatron by KSI.

 

it's not Megatron. Just a reincarnation of Megatron. The revival of Megatron happened in ROTF, that was still Megatron. However this is a completely different robot just with Megatron's conciousness